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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 11 May 2022, 16:59 last edited by
    #523

    Probably got a little uncomfortable for the crew. Too bad, so sad.

    Only non-witches get due process.

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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on 11 May 2022, 17:04 last edited by
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      That'll buff out.

      I was only joking

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      • G George K
        10 May 2022, 22:07

        Doing laundry?

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        Jolly
        wrote on 11 May 2022, 17:16 last edited by
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        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

        Doing laundry?

        That one I can understand. Russian supply has been horrible. I suspect between beans and bullets, not much else gets done. No clean socks, uniforms, underwear, etc.

        Try spending a couple of weeks in the same clothes while exercising, and tell me how that works out.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          George K
          wrote on 11 May 2022, 18:34 last edited by
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          Duct Tape

          Wrecked Russian fighter jets are being found with rudimentary GPS receivers "taped to the dashboards" in Ukraine because their inbuilt navigation systems are so bad, the UK's defense secretary, Ben Wallace, said.

          Speaking at the National Army Museum in London Monday, Wallace commemorated those who died in World War II and called Russia's invasion of Ukraine "senseless and self-defeating."

          He added that there was evidence suggesting Russian military hardware was being pushed to breaking point by the invasion of Ukraine.

          "'GPS' receivers have been found taped to the dashboards of downed Russian Su-34s so the pilots knew where they were, due to the poor quality of their own systems," he said.

          "The result is that whilst Russia have large amounts of artillery and armor that they like parading, they are unable to leverage them for combined arms maneuver and just resort to mass indiscriminate barrages," he added.

          In his Monday speech, Wallace said Russian vehicles "are frequently found with 1980s paper maps of Ukraine in them" and that soldiers were using "pine logs as makeshift protection on logistical trucks" and attaching "overhead 'cope cages' to their tanks."

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            George K
            wrote on 11 May 2022, 18:41 last edited by
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            This guy counts 58 vehicles:

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • M Mik
              8 May 2022, 15:48

              I suspect this did more for the Ukrainians than Jill.

              https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/u2-bono-the-edge-acoustic-set-kyiv-bomb-shelter-1350428/?fbclid=IwAR17hOKrVcVRkFYHIVjFbCahzH5GXoZOVC98gXYIa6Pzg8L5kC-UyCCzvQY

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 12 May 2022, 03:54 last edited by
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              @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

              I suspect this did more for the Ukrainians than Jill.

              https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/u2-bono-the-edge-acoustic-set-kyiv-bomb-shelter-1350428/?fbclid=IwAR17hOKrVcVRkFYHIVjFbCahzH5GXoZOVC98gXYIa6Pzg8L5kC-UyCCzvQY

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              Only non-witches get due process.

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                George K
                wrote on 12 May 2022, 11:20 last edited by
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                War crime:

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 12 May 2022, 12:16 last edited by
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                  Russia’s long shot in the Donbas

                  On the other hand, it’s difficult to believe in the success of the larger plan to surround the Ukrainian grouping in Donbas, even with full deployment of available reserves. The frontline that stretches from Staryi Saltiv near Kharkiv to Kamianske near Zaporizhzhia is close to 600 kilometers (approximately 400 miles) in length. If the Russian forces succeed in surrounding the Ukrainian fighters (and they would have to advance by about 120 kilometers, or roughly 75 miles, in order to accomplish this), the two encirclement fronts — the internal and the external one — would add more than 200 kilometers, or over 125 miles, to the frontline’s total length.

                  According to the theory taught in Russian military schools, a motorized infantry battalion’s offensive strip should not comprise more than two kilometers, or just over a mile (assuming that there is direct contact with neighbors on the flanks). It follows that an operation on the scale just discussed would require at least 400 such battalions. Meanwhile, each Russian battalion tactical group (the battalion with its support units: communications, electronics, and artillery) consists of 700–900 servicemen. In other words, a successful offensive in the Donbas alone would require at least 300,000 Russian soldiers.

                  Meanwhile, experts estimate that no more than 70–80 battalion tactical groups — that is, no more than 60,000 Russian servicemen — are operational in all of Ukraine. In early March, the overall grouping numbered no more than 100,000 combatants, albeit without considering the additional forces of the LNR, DNR, and Russia’s National Guard.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 14 May 2022, 11:54 last edited by
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                    Not sure if he's right, but he's not the only one saying this.

                    Another thread on how badly things are going for the Russians.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 14 May 2022, 12:21 last edited by
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                      We've also heard the Russian soldiers have been cannibalizing all kinds of electronics, trying to find spare parts for their breaking equipment...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        George K
                        wrote on 14 May 2022, 12:39 last edited by
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                        A fascinating thread on the botched river crossing by the Russians. Lots of theory on securing the location, obscuring what you're doing, etc.

                        How it worked out for the Russians:

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                        A more in depth analysis of what went wrong here.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 14 May 2022, 14:29 last edited by
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                          Fake News?

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • G George K
                            14 May 2022, 14:29

                            Fake News?

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on 14 May 2022, 14:54 last edited by
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                            @George-K

                            I don’t think it’s fake news but it is not call up to arms. Rather, it is call for women with specified civilian qualifications and experience to step forward for the DPR defence force. They are looking for bookkeepers, controllers, drivers, janitors, bus drivers, nurses and cooks.

                            Elbows up!

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                              14 May 2022, 14:54

                              @George-K

                              I don’t think it’s fake news but it is not call up to arms. Rather, it is call for women with specified civilian qualifications and experience to step forward for the DPR defence force. They are looking for bookkeepers, controllers, drivers, janitors, bus drivers, nurses and cooks.

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                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on 14 May 2022, 15:28 last edited by
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                              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              @George-K

                              I don’t think it’s fake news but it is not call up to arms. Rather, it is call for women with specified civilian qualifications and experience to step forward for the DPR defence force. They are looking for bookkeepers, controllers, drivers, janitors, bus drivers, nurses and cooks.

                              For now. My bet is Russia's military will grow as the propaganda machine wins over more Russians.

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • A Aqua Letifer
                                14 May 2022, 15:28

                                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @George-K

                                I don’t think it’s fake news but it is not call up to arms. Rather, it is call for women with specified civilian qualifications and experience to step forward for the DPR defence force. They are looking for bookkeepers, controllers, drivers, janitors, bus drivers, nurses and cooks.

                                For now. My bet is Russia's military will grow as the propaganda machine wins over more Russians.

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on 14 May 2022, 15:36 last edited by
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                                @Aqua-Letifer

                                I would argue that the propaganda machine already reached its peak and as time goes on its effectiveness will diminish. A declared “Russian victory” or at least “mission accomplished” will be the only way for the Kremlin to end the erosion.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on 14 May 2022, 15:57 last edited by
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                                  I'd agree with that. Disillusionment is already spreading from what I read (and I'm quite sure we're helping that along). Short of nukes there doesn't seem to be any arrows left in his quiver, and I doubt he is mad enough to use them. I suspect if he were it would already have been done.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • R Renauda
                                    14 May 2022, 15:36

                                    @Aqua-Letifer

                                    I would argue that the propaganda machine already reached its peak and as time goes on its effectiveness will diminish. A declared “Russian victory” or at least “mission accomplished” will be the only way for the Kremlin to end the erosion.

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                                    Aqua Letifer
                                    wrote on 14 May 2022, 17:31 last edited by
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                                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer

                                    I would argue that the propaganda machine already reached its peak and as time goes on its effectiveness will diminish. A declared “Russian victory” or at least “mission accomplished” will be the only way for the Kremlin to end the erosion.

                                    I'd very much enjoy being proven wrong.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 14 May 2022, 22:15 last edited by
                                      #540

                                      GroPos

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 15 May 2022, 11:59 last edited by
                                        #541

                                        "Russia has now likely suffered losses of one third of the ground combat force it committed in February."

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on 15 May 2022, 12:05 last edited by
                                          #542

                                          Two predictions:

                                          1. In the near future, Russia will declare victory and cease combat operations.
                                          2. It's not going to be pleasant for any Russian supporters left within the borders if Ukraine, democracy be damned.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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