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  • George KG Offline
    George KG Offline
    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #443

    11' 8"

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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #444

      Interesting thread:

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #445

        The gang that couldn't shoot straight.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
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          #446

          Fairly decent short op-Ed on the failure of Russian geopolitics:

          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/27/russias-catastrophic-geopolitics-a77505

          Elbows up!

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          • MikM Away
            MikM Away
            Mik
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            #447

            Apparently Russia is getting hacked at an unprecedented rate.

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hacking-russia-was-off-limits-the-ukraine-war-made-it-a-free-for-all/ar-AAWNAde?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=510b6beb761441b698cc056c542e4fba

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • George KG Offline
              George KG Offline
              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #448

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @Renauda thanks for that. Chilling and informative.

                click to show

                Nice to see that Trump still lives rent-free in her head.

                How is she wrong? That's not what he did?

                JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #449

                @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @Renauda thanks for that. Chilling and informative.

                click to show

                Nice to see that Trump still lives rent-free in her head.

                How is she wrong? That's not what he did?

                Yep, she's wrong. I've seen more blatant lies from The Resident than from Trump, but I didn't see Biden mentioned in the same breath as Putin or the Anti-Christ.

                When I see a goofy paragraph such as the Trump linkage, I usually quit reading the article, as the piece can now be viewed through the writer's prism. In a piece about Russia, why go out of your way to bash Trump and no other POTUS or politician? It makes a piece touted as unbiased, immediately biased. She just gave half of her audience the middle finger.

                I find a lot of unexplainable Trump fear among the chattering class on the coasts, even today.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-30

                  April 30, 5:15pm ET

                  Further Russian reinforcements to the Izyum axis are unlikely to enable stalled Russian forces to achieve substantial advances. Elements of unspecified Eastern Military District units and several air-defense assets are reportedly deploying from Belgorod to the Izyum front to support likely degraded Russian units attempting to advance south of the city. These forces are unlikely to enable Russian forces to break the current deadlock, as Russian attacks remain confined to two major highways (toward Slovyansk and Barvinkove) and cannot leverage greater numbers. Several successful Ukrainian counterattacks out of Kharkiv city in the last 72 hours have additionally recaptured a ring of suburbs north and east of the city and may additionally force Russian forces to redeploy units intended for the Izyum axis to hold these positions. Russian forces appear increasingly unlikely to achieve any major advances in eastern Ukraine, and Ukrainian forces may be able to conduct wider counterattacks in the coming days.

                  Key Takeaways

                  • A Ukrainian counteroffensive out of Kharkiv City will likely alleviate pressure on parts of the city that have suffered the most from Russian shelling and may force Russian troops from Izyum to re-deploy northward to support forces maintaining the partial encirclement of Kharkiv.
                  • Additional Russian forces are deploying to the Izyum front but are unlikely to enable any major advances.
                  • Russian troops did not make any confirmed advances to the southwest or southeast of Izyum or to the west of the Donetsk-Luhansk frontline.
                  • Russian forces in Kherson are pausing major offensive operations to improve their tactical positions and regroup to prepare for a renewed offensive to capture the administrative borders of Kherson.
                  • Russian occupation forces in Mariupol announced plans to consolidate their control over the city and intend to return Ukrainian citizens forcibly deported into Russia at some point in the future.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #451

                    Current conservative estimates are at least 15,000 Russian KIA. Assuming three times that number are wounded, we're looking at a total loss of 60K Russian soldiers. Then, add the POWs.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • M Offline
                      M Offline
                      MainerMikeBrown
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                      #452

                      If I could stop all the violence going on in Ukraine right now (as well as violence anywhere else in the world, for that matter), I would.

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                      • George KG Offline
                        George KG Offline
                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #453

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • M Offline
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                          MainerMikeBrown
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                          #454

                          I think Putin would be crazy to have his military attack one or more NATO nations because I don't think his military is ready to take on NATO forces.

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                          • M MainerMikeBrown

                            I think Putin would be crazy to have his military attack one or more NATO nations because I don't think his military is ready to take on NATO forces.

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #455

                            @MainerMikeBrown said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            I think Putin would be crazy to have his military attack one or more NATO nations because I don't think his military is ready to take on NATO forces.

                            His military wasn’t ready to take on Ukrainian forces. What Putin seems to do best is kick the shit out of any of his own people who disagree with him and persuade the rest of them that it’s for their own good.

                            I was only joking

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                            • M Offline
                              M Offline
                              MainerMikeBrown
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                              #456

                              Since Putin's military wasn't ready to take on Ukrainian forces, than how is his military supposed to take on NATO forces?

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                              • George KG George K

                                RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #457

                                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                White phosphorus bombs and munitions are not necessarily banned from use. Depends how they were deployed and what was the intended target.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #458

                                  Take this with a grain of salt, considering the source. But even if they're off by half...

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #459

                                    High-speed Russian patrol boat near Snake Island covered to submarine.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG Offline
                                      George KG Offline
                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #460

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • AxtremusA Offline
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                                        Axtremus
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                                        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/04/28/russia-ukraine-world-leaders-wont-punish-putin/9516853002/

                                        On the diplomatic front, the article surveys global responses to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and points out that many populous countries refuse the take side (some discussion on why), hence if weighted by population, only a "minority" of the world condemns Russia. Most of them are not taking side, including India and Indonesia, the two most populous democracies in the world.

                                        Various reasons (justified or not) were cited by various countries on why they do not want to take side. One reference to Cuba stood out, a parallel comparing Russia's unease with having a democratic Ukraine at its border to the USA's unease with having a communist Cuba so close to the USA. First time I've seen this argument reported in American press.

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                                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                          https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/04/28/russia-ukraine-world-leaders-wont-punish-putin/9516853002/

                                          On the diplomatic front, the article surveys global responses to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and points out that many populous countries refuse the take side (some discussion on why), hence if weighted by population, only a "minority" of the world condemns Russia. Most of them are not taking side, including India and Indonesia, the two most populous democracies in the world.

                                          Various reasons (justified or not) were cited by various countries on why they do not want to take side. One reference to Cuba stood out, a parallel comparing Russia's unease with having a democratic Ukraine at its border to the USA's unease with having a communist Cuba so close to the USA. First time I've seen this argument reported in American press.

                                          RenaudaR Offline
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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #462

                                          @Axtremus

                                          That Cuban analogy has been around for some years particularly among US analysts. One of its leading proponents is John Mearsheimer. I am surprised you haven’t come across it before as Mearsheimer is widely quoted throughout the English language media.

                                          For the record, I do not believe it to be a valid comparison in the Russia Ukraine War.

                                          Elbows up!

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