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  • G George K
    24 Apr 2022, 16:06

    @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

    Would Putin really open up that can of worms?

    I think dipping his toe into the Ukrainian waters is precisely a test of how NATO would respond.

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    Renauda
    wrote on 24 Apr 2022, 18:59 last edited by Renauda
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    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

    @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

    Would Putin really open up that can of worms?

    I think dipping his toe into the Ukrainian waters is precisely a test of how NATO would respond.

    True enough, I think deep down Putin understands that collectively NATO is a defensive alliance. His suspicions though are directed towards first the USA then the USA in alliance with the UK. His current war with Ukraine probably confirms his suspicions as the US and London tend to be taking the lead regarding sanctions, direct material defence aid and intelligence sharing in support of Ukraine.

    And that’s a good thing, it may just lead him to the conclusion that he is far more vulnerable on all fronts than he was before he launched this war with the Western world.

    Elbows up!

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      George K
      wrote on 25 Apr 2022, 16:21 last edited by
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      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • G George K
        25 Apr 2022, 16:21

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 25 Apr 2022, 18:51 last edited by
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        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

        In 2004 I was in Odessa for a few days with the intention of traveling by train to Chișinău in Moldova. The idea was to visit the little village outside the city where Rachel’s grandfather was born.

        In the event the trains weren’t running because of violence by Russian backed separatists in the transdneister region. So we never got there. In hindsight I should have gone through Romania. But I don’t regret having visited Ukraine. It’s unlikely I would have gone otherwise.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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          George K
          wrote on 25 Apr 2022, 23:12 last edited by
          #408

          Read the thread...

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            bachophile
            wrote on 26 Apr 2022, 17:54 last edited by
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            I’ve got some Crimean wine in my wine fridge. Gifted to me years ago.

            I should open it one day to celebrate the fall of the red army.

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              George K
              wrote on 26 Apr 2022, 21:53 last edited by
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              Russia turns off the gas to Poland and Bulgaria

              Russia said it will stop natural gas flows to Poland and Bulgaria on Wednesday, making good on a threat to cut off buyers if they refuse Russian President Vladimir Putin’s demand to pay in rubles. European gas prices surged.

              United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, seeking to revive diplomatic efforts to end the war more than two months after Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine.

              U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin hosted talks with officials from more than 40 countries at Ramstein Air Base in Germany to discuss ways of boosting weapons supplies to Ukraine. Violence flared in the nearby breakaway Transnistria region of Moldova.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                George K
                wrote on 27 Apr 2022, 12:15 last edited by
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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • G George K
                  26 Apr 2022, 21:53

                  Russia turns off the gas to Poland and Bulgaria

                  Russia said it will stop natural gas flows to Poland and Bulgaria on Wednesday, making good on a threat to cut off buyers if they refuse Russian President Vladimir Putin’s demand to pay in rubles. European gas prices surged.

                  United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, seeking to revive diplomatic efforts to end the war more than two months after Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine.

                  U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin hosted talks with officials from more than 40 countries at Ramstein Air Base in Germany to discuss ways of boosting weapons supplies to Ukraine. Violence flared in the nearby breakaway Transnistria region of Moldova.

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 27 Apr 2022, 12:19 last edited by
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                  @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  Russia turns off the gas to Poland and Bulgaria

                  Russia said it will stop natural gas flows to Poland and Bulgaria on Wednesday, making good on a threat to cut off buyers if they refuse Russian President Vladimir Putin’s demand to pay in rubles. European gas prices surged.

                  United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, seeking to revive diplomatic efforts to end the war more than two months after Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine.

                  U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin hosted talks with officials from more than 40 countries at Ramstein Air Base in Germany to discuss ways of boosting weapons supplies to Ukraine. Violence flared in the nearby breakaway Transnistria region of Moldova.

                  Doesn't this really smack of desperation on Russia's part?

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • M Mik
                    27 Apr 2022, 12:19

                    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Russia turns off the gas to Poland and Bulgaria

                    Russia said it will stop natural gas flows to Poland and Bulgaria on Wednesday, making good on a threat to cut off buyers if they refuse Russian President Vladimir Putin’s demand to pay in rubles. European gas prices surged.

                    United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, seeking to revive diplomatic efforts to end the war more than two months after Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine.

                    U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin hosted talks with officials from more than 40 countries at Ramstein Air Base in Germany to discuss ways of boosting weapons supplies to Ukraine. Violence flared in the nearby breakaway Transnistria region of Moldova.

                    Doesn't this really smack of desperation on Russia's part?

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                    George K
                    wrote on 27 Apr 2022, 12:23 last edited by
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                    @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
                    Russia turns off the gas to Poland and Bulgaria

                    Doesn't this really smack of desperation on Russia's part?

                    I think they've been threatening this since day 1 of the invasion.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 27 Apr 2022, 13:08 last edited by
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                      They have. I think it shows how few cards they have left to play. Which makes them more dangerous.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • G George K
                        26 Apr 2022, 21:53

                        Russia turns off the gas to Poland and Bulgaria

                        Russia said it will stop natural gas flows to Poland and Bulgaria on Wednesday, making good on a threat to cut off buyers if they refuse Russian President Vladimir Putin’s demand to pay in rubles. European gas prices surged.

                        United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, seeking to revive diplomatic efforts to end the war more than two months after Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine.

                        U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin hosted talks with officials from more than 40 countries at Ramstein Air Base in Germany to discuss ways of boosting weapons supplies to Ukraine. Violence flared in the nearby breakaway Transnistria region of Moldova.

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on 27 Apr 2022, 13:09 last edited by
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                        @George-K

                        Neither country appears to be at all concerned about this.

                        Over the next few months a few of the bigger gas contracts with European states will come up for renewal. Should be entertaining to see what unfolds.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • R Renauda
                          27 Apr 2022, 13:09

                          @George-K

                          Neither country appears to be at all concerned about this.

                          Over the next few months a few of the bigger gas contracts with European states will come up for renewal. Should be entertaining to see what unfolds.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 27 Apr 2022, 13:10 last edited by
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                          @Renauda I read that a pipeline to Poland will be completed by June from, I believe, Turkey.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • G George K
                            27 Apr 2022, 13:10

                            @Renauda I read that a pipeline to Poland will be completed by June from, I believe, Turkey.

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on 27 Apr 2022, 13:27 last edited by Renauda
                            #417

                            @George-K

                            Norway.

                            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe

                            Elbows up!

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                              George K
                              wrote on 28 Apr 2022, 12:12 last edited by George K
                              #418

                              Later in the thread, it's mentioned that this is an "old" video - from mid-March, btw.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 28 Apr 2022, 13:17 last edited by
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                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • G George K
                                  28 Apr 2022, 13:17

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on 28 Apr 2022, 13:31 last edited by
                                  #420

                                  @George-K

                                  So she admits Mad Vlad is completely out of his tree.

                                  We already knew that.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 28 Apr 2022, 14:13 last edited by
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                                    I wonder if the military would comply if he ordered a nuclear strike.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 28 Apr 2022, 14:20 last edited by
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                                      Interesting thread on "tactical" nukes.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Aqua Letifer
                                        wrote on 28 Apr 2022, 14:36 last edited by
                                        #423

                                        What are everyone's odds that Vlad launches nukes?

                                        Please love yourself.

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                                        • M Mik
                                          28 Apr 2022, 14:13

                                          I wonder if the military would comply if he ordered a nuclear strike.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on 28 Apr 2022, 14:46 last edited by
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                                          @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          I wonder if the military would comply if he ordered a nuclear strike.

                                          Yes. You can be certain that the scenario(s) involving nukes have already been gamed out.

                                          Elbows up!

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