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  • J jon-nyc
    14 Apr 2022, 13:04

    David Patraeus and Niall Ferguson. A good read.

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    George K
    wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 13:16 last edited by
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    @jon-nyc excellent article. Petraeus makes it sound almost hopeful that Ukraine might prevail.

    Meanwhile, in Washington:

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • J jon-nyc
      14 Apr 2022, 13:04

      David Patraeus and Niall Ferguson. A good read.

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      Mik
      wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 13:57 last edited by Mik
      #313

      @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

      David Patraeus and Niall Ferguson. A good read.

      Very good read. I particularly liked this Petraeus quote:

      "The idea of fighting in a country where everyone hates you and will do anything they can to frustrate what you’re trying to achieve is mind-boggling to me. I can’t imagine what it would be like."

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • J jon-nyc
        14 Apr 2022, 13:04

        David Patraeus and Niall Ferguson. A good read.

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        Renauda
        wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 14:43 last edited by
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        @jon-nyc

        What George and Mik already stated plus Ferguson’s statement:

        “ Another aspect of the war that’s interesting to me is that in some ways we’re seeing a familiar battle between an empire and a nation state. And indeed, the war seems to be forging Ukraine as a nation state even as it weakens Russia as an empire.”

        Elbows up!

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          Aqua Letifer
          wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 17:09 last edited by Aqua Letifer
          #315

          Nukes threatened if Sweden or Finland join NATO.

          https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-warns-baltic-nuclear-deployment-if-nato-admits-sweden-finland-2022-04-14/

          My question is, what about the interim period between NATO application and membership? I know they're working on security guarantees but how is the rest of the world going to view an attack from Russia during this interim period?

          Please love yourself.

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            Mik
            wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 18:13 last edited by
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            I don't see any way the Russian army could mount an effective conventional attack on Scandinavia. It's a bluff. Using nuclear weapons would make Russia a pariah for the foreseeable future and they cannot possibly win a nuclear exchange with NATO.

            Even if he eventually occupies Ukraine he won't be able to hold it at any acceptable cost in blood and treasure. Surely he must know this by now.

            I've read that Russian troops have been told that the war must be over, one way or another, for the May 9 WWII victory celebration. Perhaps Putin will claim Donetsk and Luhansk and declare victory.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • A Aqua Letifer
              14 Apr 2022, 17:09

              Nukes threatened if Sweden or Finland join NATO.

              https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-warns-baltic-nuclear-deployment-if-nato-admits-sweden-finland-2022-04-14/

              My question is, what about the interim period between NATO application and membership? I know they're working on security guarantees but how is the rest of the world going to view an attack from Russia during this interim period?

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              Renauda
              wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 18:15 last edited by Renauda
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              @Aqua-Letifer

              Sabre rattling. It means nothing and I call B. S. to the threat. Those are highly mobile systems that can be set in place at the drop of a hat and have a range that enables them to be deployed onto target from well within the borders of Russian Federation.

              Elbows up!

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              • M Mik
                14 Apr 2022, 18:13

                I don't see any way the Russian army could mount an effective conventional attack on Scandinavia. It's a bluff. Using nuclear weapons would make Russia a pariah for the foreseeable future and they cannot possibly win a nuclear exchange with NATO.

                Even if he eventually occupies Ukraine he won't be able to hold it at any acceptable cost in blood and treasure. Surely he must know this by now.

                I've read that Russian troops have been told that the war must be over, one way or another, for the May 9 WWII victory celebration. Perhaps Putin will claim Donetsk and Luhansk and declare victory.

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                Renauda
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                @Mik

                I've read that Russian troops have been told that the war must be over, one way or another, for the May 9 WWII victory celebration. Perhaps Putin will claim Donetsk and Luhansk and declare victory..

                Hearing that as well. Quite plausible, although in the long run I still believe he wants total control over the whole of Ukraine.

                Elbows up!

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                • R Renauda
                  14 Apr 2022, 18:15

                  @Aqua-Letifer

                  Sabre rattling. It means nothing and I call B. S. to the threat. Those are highly mobile systems that can be set in place at the drop of a hat and have a range that enables them to be deployed onto target from well within the borders of Russian Federation.

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                  Axtremus
                  wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 19:30 last edited by Axtremus
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                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  Sabre rattling.

                  For domestic consumption, and/or to remind the world it still has a Sabre?

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                  • A Axtremus
                    14 Apr 2022, 19:30

                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Sabre rattling.

                    For domestic consumption, and/or to remind the world it still has a Sabre?

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 19:40 last edited by
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                    @Axtremus

                    Both.

                    Elbows up!

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                      bachophile
                      wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 20:38 last edited by
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                      Interesting thread on the sinking of the Moskva

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                        bachophile
                        wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 20:40 last edited by
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                          Mik
                          wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 21:17 last edited by
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                          And the Moskva has sunk. AMF.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-warship-moskva-has-sunk-state-media/ar-AAWeD1n?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=95be4503213640a5be7c563ae248b4b4

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 21:25 last edited by
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                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              Mik
                              wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 22:30 last edited by Mik
                              #325

                              H/t to Renauda

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                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • M Mik
                                14 Apr 2022, 22:30

                                H/t to Renauda

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                                Horace
                                wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 22:36 last edited by
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                                @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

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                                lol

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 22:42 last edited by
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                                  This is a BFD.

                                  That ship was used to launch countless missile attacks from the Black Sea. There are two sister ships, but Turkey is denying entry to the Black Sea to all military vessels.

                                  I would love to have been a fly on the wall when Putin heard this.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • G George K
                                    14 Apr 2022, 22:42

                                    This is a BFD.

                                    That ship was used to launch countless missile attacks from the Black Sea. There are two sister ships, but Turkey is denying entry to the Black Sea to all military vessels.

                                    I would love to have been a fly on the wall when Putin heard this.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 23:02 last edited by
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                                    @George-K

                                    Let’s hope it brings on a catastrophic cerebral haemorrhage .

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 23:03 last edited by
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                                      "How do you lose naval superiority to a country that doesn’t have a navy?"

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • G George K
                                        14 Apr 2022, 23:03

                                        "How do you lose naval superiority to a country that doesn’t have a navy?"

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                                        Aqua Letifer
                                        wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 23:10 last edited by
                                        #330

                                        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        "How do you lose naval superiority to a country that doesn’t have a navy?"

                                        I lol'd hard.

                                        Please love yourself.

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                                        • G George K
                                          14 Apr 2022, 23:03

                                          "How do you lose naval superiority to a country that doesn’t have a navy?"

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on 14 Apr 2022, 23:16 last edited by
                                          #331

                                          @George-K

                                          Don’t know but I think the Ukrainians just did it.

                                          Elbows up!

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