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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by George K
    #309

    Ukraine says it damaged Russian flagship, crew evacuates

    Ukraine said its forces struck and seriously damaged the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea fleet, dealing a potentially major setback to Moscow’s troops as they try to regroup for a renewed offensive in eastern Ukraine after retreating from much of the north, including the capital.

    Russia said Thursday the entire crew of the Moskva, a warship that would typically have 500 sailors on board, was forced to evacuate after a fire overnight and also reported it was badly damaged. But it did not acknowledge any attack, which, in addition to any practical impact, would also deal a major blow to Russian prestige seven weeks into a war that is already widely seen as a historic blunder.

    The damage to the ship came hours after some of Ukraine’s allies sought to rally new support for the embattled country. On a visit with leaders from three other EU countries on Russia’s doorstep who fear they could next be in Moscow’s sights, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda declared that “the fight for Europe’s future is happening here.”

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #310

      More context on the hit on the москва

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        jon-nyc
        wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
        #311

        David Patraeus and Niall Ferguson. A good read.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          David Patraeus and Niall Ferguson. A good read.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #312

          @jon-nyc excellent article. Petraeus makes it sound almost hopeful that Ukraine might prevail.

          Meanwhile, in Washington:

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            David Patraeus and Niall Ferguson. A good read.

            MikM Offline
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            Mik
            wrote on last edited by Mik
            #313

            @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

            David Patraeus and Niall Ferguson. A good read.

            Very good read. I particularly liked this Petraeus quote:

            "The idea of fighting in a country where everyone hates you and will do anything they can to frustrate what you’re trying to achieve is mind-boggling to me. I can’t imagine what it would be like."

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              David Patraeus and Niall Ferguson. A good read.

              RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by
              #314

              @jon-nyc

              What George and Mik already stated plus Ferguson’s statement:

              “ Another aspect of the war that’s interesting to me is that in some ways we’re seeing a familiar battle between an empire and a nation state. And indeed, the war seems to be forging Ukraine as a nation state even as it weakens Russia as an empire.”

              Elbows up!

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              • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                Aqua Letifer
                wrote on last edited by Aqua Letifer
                #315

                Nukes threatened if Sweden or Finland join NATO.

                https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-warns-baltic-nuclear-deployment-if-nato-admits-sweden-finland-2022-04-14/

                My question is, what about the interim period between NATO application and membership? I know they're working on security guarantees but how is the rest of the world going to view an attack from Russia during this interim period?

                Please love yourself.

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #316

                  I don't see any way the Russian army could mount an effective conventional attack on Scandinavia. It's a bluff. Using nuclear weapons would make Russia a pariah for the foreseeable future and they cannot possibly win a nuclear exchange with NATO.

                  Even if he eventually occupies Ukraine he won't be able to hold it at any acceptable cost in blood and treasure. Surely he must know this by now.

                  I've read that Russian troops have been told that the war must be over, one way or another, for the May 9 WWII victory celebration. Perhaps Putin will claim Donetsk and Luhansk and declare victory.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                    Nukes threatened if Sweden or Finland join NATO.

                    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-warns-baltic-nuclear-deployment-if-nato-admits-sweden-finland-2022-04-14/

                    My question is, what about the interim period between NATO application and membership? I know they're working on security guarantees but how is the rest of the world going to view an attack from Russia during this interim period?

                    RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #317

                    @Aqua-Letifer

                    Sabre rattling. It means nothing and I call B. S. to the threat. Those are highly mobile systems that can be set in place at the drop of a hat and have a range that enables them to be deployed onto target from well within the borders of Russian Federation.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • MikM Mik

                      I don't see any way the Russian army could mount an effective conventional attack on Scandinavia. It's a bluff. Using nuclear weapons would make Russia a pariah for the foreseeable future and they cannot possibly win a nuclear exchange with NATO.

                      Even if he eventually occupies Ukraine he won't be able to hold it at any acceptable cost in blood and treasure. Surely he must know this by now.

                      I've read that Russian troops have been told that the war must be over, one way or another, for the May 9 WWII victory celebration. Perhaps Putin will claim Donetsk and Luhansk and declare victory.

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #318

                      @Mik

                      I've read that Russian troops have been told that the war must be over, one way or another, for the May 9 WWII victory celebration. Perhaps Putin will claim Donetsk and Luhansk and declare victory..

                      Hearing that as well. Quite plausible, although in the long run I still believe he wants total control over the whole of Ukraine.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        @Aqua-Letifer

                        Sabre rattling. It means nothing and I call B. S. to the threat. Those are highly mobile systems that can be set in place at the drop of a hat and have a range that enables them to be deployed onto target from well within the borders of Russian Federation.

                        AxtremusA Away
                        AxtremusA Away
                        Axtremus
                        wrote on last edited by Axtremus
                        #319

                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        Sabre rattling.

                        For domestic consumption, and/or to remind the world it still has a Sabre?

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Sabre rattling.

                          For domestic consumption, and/or to remind the world it still has a Sabre?

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #320

                          @Axtremus

                          Both.

                          Elbows up!

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                            bachophile
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #321

                            Interesting thread on the sinking of the Moskva

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                              bachophile
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                              #322

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #323

                                And the Moskva has sunk. AMF.

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-warship-moskva-has-sunk-state-media/ar-AAWeD1n?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=95be4503213640a5be7c563ae248b4b4

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #324

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                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • MikM Offline
                                    MikM Offline
                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by Mik
                                    #325

                                    H/t to Renauda

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                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • MikM Mik

                                      H/t to Renauda

                                      F72A4A2F-635E-43CB-9596-4F52285BF047.jpeg

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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #326

                                      @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      F72A4A2F-635E-43CB-9596-4F52285BF047.jpeg

                                      lol

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #327

                                        This is a BFD.

                                        That ship was used to launch countless missile attacks from the Black Sea. There are two sister ships, but Turkey is denying entry to the Black Sea to all military vessels.

                                        I would love to have been a fly on the wall when Putin heard this.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          This is a BFD.

                                          That ship was used to launch countless missile attacks from the Black Sea. There are two sister ships, but Turkey is denying entry to the Black Sea to all military vessels.

                                          I would love to have been a fly on the wall when Putin heard this.

                                          RenaudaR Offline
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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #328

                                          @George-K

                                          Let’s hope it brings on a catastrophic cerebral haemorrhage .

                                          Elbows up!

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