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The Ukraine war thread

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  • MikM Offline
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    #3044

    We’d be hard pressed to do much about shipment to India, and their need is huge. That’s even before the lower transportation costs.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      #3045

      I really don’t know how to describe my ill feelings about this:

      Russia has welcomed US President Donald Trump's new National Security Strategy, calling it "largely consistent" with Moscow's vision.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpvd01g2kwwo

      Elbows up!

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      • MikM Offline
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        #3046

        Sounds like an abdication of American leadership in the west.

        Putin’s advocacy for conservative values is utterly self serving. We need not think he’s committed to them. They just sell domestically and now apparently here.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        • MikM Mik

          Sounds like an abdication of American leadership in the west.

          Putin’s advocacy for conservative values is utterly self serving. We need not think he’s committed to them. They just sell domestically and now apparently here.

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          @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Putin’s advocacy for conservative values is utterly self serving.

          You could say the same about the other guy in the photo too.

          I was only joking

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            wrote last edited by Renauda
            #3048

            Neither demagogue can remotely claim ownership to much of anything conservative, let alone the values associated with conservatism.

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Offline
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              wrote last edited by Mik
              #3049

              Security guarantees. Didn't we already do that in Budapest? Does anyone believe we will go to war if Russia rearms and restarts the fight?

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-s-peace-deal-could-be-closer-than-anyone-expected/ar-AA1S1Nbw

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                #3050

                I do. Putin got away with it in 2014 and again in 2022. He has to know beyond any doubt that if and when there is a next time, Western troops are coming to Ukraine’s aid. That does not necessarily include the US but it does not preclude it either.

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Offline
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                  wrote last edited by
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                  Interesting. Why didn't it happen in 2014?

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    wrote last edited by
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                    More on that. Good piece.

                    https://www.fpri.org/article/2014/03/ukraine-and-the-misunderstood-budapest-memorandum/

                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Interesting. Why didn't it happen in 2014?

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                      #3053

                      @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      Interesting. Why didn't it happen in 2014?

                      Good question. I guess Angela Merkel and Barak Obama preferred not to escalate matters much beyond indignation and a strongly worded letter or two. Oh yes, and a few weak to moderate sanctions which only strengthened the Russian agri-food sector and energy industries. For its part, NATO members began training Ukrainian soldiers in NATO warfare techniques as the first steps towards eventual integration into the alliance.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        wrote last edited by
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                        Which should have happened long ago.

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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