The Ukraine war thread

[Renauda]

According to this former Russian diplomat, Putin will not accept the 28 point plan either because it is too generous to Kyiv and gives too much power to the POTUS:

The final section of the plan is especially revealing: it puts forward the establishment of a so-called “Peace Council” led by President Donald Trump to oversee compliance. This arrangement is utterly unacceptable to Putin, as it places Trump in the position of supervising and assessing the Russian leader’s actions. Putin is waging war to prove that he has an equal right to shape global decisions alongside the U.S. president and other world leaders. He is fighting for imagined respect, for a status of equality — or primacy, even — among global actors. In this worldview, putting anyone above himself, especially someone as unpredictable as Trump, would be humiliating and a signal of weakness.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/11/21/trumps-peace-plan-favors-russia-putin-still-wont-accept-it-a91209

[Mik]

That makes perfect sense if you are Vlad. All he has to do is keep dancing, pretending to be interested in peace plans and continue what he wants to do anyway. At the very least he will garner ever more concessions with each iteration.

[Renauda]

Former US Ambassador to Ukraine, John Herbst weighs in on the proposal:

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-expert-conversation-separating-signal-from-noise-in-trumps-ukraine-peace-plan/

[Mik]

I think he is spot on. Seize the assets and arm Ukraine to the teeth.

[Renauda]

@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

I think he is spot on. Seize the assets and arm Ukraine to the teeth.

And fire that moron Witkoff.

[Axtremus]

Thomas Friedman says they deserve a Peace Prize, the "Neville Chamberlain Peace Prize":

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/22/opinion/ukraine-russia-negotiations-trump-deal.html

[Renauda]

A succinct appraisal:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1337421634289373/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

[Renauda]

@Axtremus said in The Ukraine war thread:

Thomas Friedman says they deserve a Peace Prize, the "Neville Chamberlain Peace Prize":

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/22/opinion/ukraine-russia-negotiations-trump-deal.html

I think we already moved past any parallels to Munich a few years ago. We are now on the eve of 1 September 1939 and its consequences.

[Mik]

Interesting if at all true

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/eu-s-top-diplomat-says-putin-is-near-breaking-point-so-trump-must-change-ukraine-deal/ar-AA1R6m9f

[Renauda]

@Mik

Not stopping Trump from sending his Dim Philby dummkopf to meet and softball Putin in a couple of days

[Wim]

@Mik I think Kallas is a little bit too optimistic. Russia isn't doing very well, but is not broke.
Yet.

[Mik]

They've shown remarkable resilience. That or the dreaded sanctions were toothless.

[Renauda]

I would agree with Wim. Russia is definitely hurting but no where near falling apart. Never forget that it is a country whose economy in the past 35 years has twice collapsed yet continued to function without a revolt of the masses as a consequence.