The Ukraine war thread

[Renauda]

Former US Ambassador to Ukraine, John Herbst weighs in on the proposal:

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-expert-conversation-separating-signal-from-noise-in-trumps-ukraine-peace-plan/

[Mik]

I think he is spot on. Seize the assets and arm Ukraine to the teeth.

[Renauda]

@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

I think he is spot on. Seize the assets and arm Ukraine to the teeth.

And fire that moron Witkoff.

[Axtremus]

Thomas Friedman says they deserve a Peace Prize, the "Neville Chamberlain Peace Prize":

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/22/opinion/ukraine-russia-negotiations-trump-deal.html

[Renauda]

A succinct appraisal:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1337421634289373/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

[Renauda]

@Axtremus said in The Ukraine war thread:

Thomas Friedman says they deserve a Peace Prize, the "Neville Chamberlain Peace Prize":

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/22/opinion/ukraine-russia-negotiations-trump-deal.html

I think we already moved past any parallels to Munich a few years ago. We are now on the eve of 1 September 1939 and its consequences.

[Mik]

Interesting if at all true

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/eu-s-top-diplomat-says-putin-is-near-breaking-point-so-trump-must-change-ukraine-deal/ar-AA1R6m9f

[Renauda]

@Mik

Not stopping Trump from sending his Dim Philby dummkopf to meet and softball Putin in a couple of days

[Wim]

@Mik I think Kallas is a little bit too optimistic. Russia isn't doing very well, but is not broke.
Yet.

[Mik]

They've shown remarkable resilience. That or the dreaded sanctions were toothless.

[Renauda]

I would agree with Wim. Russia is definitely hurting but no where near falling apart. Never forget that it is a country whose economy in the past 35 years has twice collapsed yet continued to function without a revolt of the masses as a consequence.

[Renauda]

Happenstance or intimidation?

An Irish navy ship spotted five drones operating near the flight path of Ukranian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy aircraft as he arrived for a State visit to Ireland on Monday night.

The sighting triggered a major security alert amid fears it was an attempt to interfere with the aircraft’s flight path.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/12/04/drones-spotted-near-zelenskiys-flight-path-to-dublin-triggering-major-security-alert/

[Mik]

I'm not a huge believer in coincidence where Russia is concerned.

[Renauda]

I’m just channeling Steve Witkoff on incidents of this sort.

[Mik]

Some sarcasm is thinly veiled. Some not veiled at all.

[Renauda]

I don’t even try any more. In his current role, the man’s incompetence in the game of high stakes diplomacy is an existential threat to Western civilisation.

How’s that for an unabashed and deliberate dunk?

[Wim]

In India Putin just repeated his stance on 'Novorussiya'.
So far no reaction from the US...

[Renauda]

No surprise, but then it is not likely anyone is left in Washington other than possibly Marco Rubio who knows what Novorossiya means or even implies.

[Mik]

Just another bullshit but deeply felt justification. A riddle wrapped in an enigma...

[Renauda]

All part of the twisted mythology making Russia up as the third Rome.