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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote last edited by
    #2995

    Not a good development, but probably to be expected given the environment Ukraine endured under Soviet rule.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-s-top-ministers-resign-amid-100m-corruption-scandal/ar-AA1Qjy5u

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • W Offline
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      Wim
      wrote last edited by
      #2996

      Putin's power bloc cracking?

      https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/64394

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      • MikM Away
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        Mik
        wrote last edited by
        #2997

        Interesting.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        • W Wim

          Putin's power bloc cracking?

          https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/64394

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          Renauda
          wrote last edited by Renauda
          #2998

          @Wim

          Makes sense in so far as Russia is not and never has been a monolith state. It also explains the internal struggle since the dissolution of the USSR between the siloviki (strongmen - security services, military) and the financial/industrial business elites. He correctly identifies Rosneft’s Igor Sechin as more than just associated with the FSB. Back in the 90’s Rosneft was the poor boy in the oil patch a badly managed state owned oil company that could not compete with its privatized competition like LUKOil or Surgutneftegaz. That all changed with the arrival of Putin in the Kremlin and during the course of his first two terms Rosneft came to be among the top three Russian oil companies. By now it is probably the most powerful in the country as in terms of production, refining capacity and lucrative financial assets outside of the oil business internally and abroad.

          Elbows up!

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          • MikM Away
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            Mik
            wrote last edited by Mik
            #2999

            Not a cheery article. I can't help but wonder where we would be if the west had supported Ukraine more whole-heartedly. All for using the frozen Russian assets.

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelensky-is-losing-touch-with-reality/ar-AA1QGvyu

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • MikM Mik

              Not a cheery article. I can't help but wonder where we would be if the west had supported Ukraine more whole-heartedly. All for using the frozen Russian assets.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelensky-is-losing-touch-with-reality/ar-AA1QGvyu

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              Renauda
              wrote last edited by
              #3000

              @Mik

              Not cheery but as one observer I read pointed out:

              To be clear, the fact Ukraine’s investigators — and its raucous free press — are absolutely going to town on elites is itself evidence of a living, breathing (if coughing) democracy worth defending. One need only glance over the border to recall the alternative.

              Can anyone send us the link to Russia’s credible investigation after the Panama Papers exposed Putin’s billions? Or how his best friend (Roldugin) earned billions playing a cello? (dude must be awesome). Or why the guy who made a two-hour documentary on Putin’s $1.4 billion Black Sea mega-palace ended up dead in a Putin prison?

              The absence of scandal in an autocracy is often just a symptom of its silent, dehumanising condition. And inversely (if uncomfortably), the presence of scandal in a democracy often just reflects the messy but sacred human agency underneath. And that’s worth fighting for, everywhere, every time.

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
                wrote last edited by
                #3001

                Good observation.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                • MikM Mik

                  Good observation.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote last edited by
                  #3002

                  @Mik

                  I thought so as well.

                  I’m the meantime, I have nothing to say about the past 24 hrs of hearsay surrounding Moscow’s and Dim Philby’s (Witkoff the dummkopf) latest terms of unconditional surrender being laid out before the embattled Ukrainian nation.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
                    wrote last edited by
                    #3003

                    Oh, the cash for land, but you really still own it? Absurd to the point of surreal.

                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                      Renauda
                      wrote last edited by Renauda
                      #3004

                      Surreal is right. I really cannot comprehend how the US could even table the alleged terms for the Ukranians’ consideration.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Away
                        MikM Away
                        Mik
                        wrote last edited by
                        #3005

                        He's just throwing shit against the wall to see if anything sticks.

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                          Renauda
                          wrote last edited by Renauda
                          #3006

                          I don’t believe that for a minute. War diplomacy is not a jam session to see what sticks to the wall.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • MikM Away
                            MikM Away
                            Mik
                            wrote last edited by Mik
                            #3007

                            Normally, no, it isn't. but we're pretty short on normal here. I don't think Trump can conceive of someone NOT wanting to make a deal.

                            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                              Renauda
                              wrote last edited by Renauda
                              #3008

                              You may be right… after all, Trump still thinks Putin is his trusted friend. 🙄

                              Elbows up!

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                              • MikM Away
                                MikM Away
                                Mik
                                wrote last edited by
                                #3009

                                I don’t think he believes it, he just tries to sell it. With normal humans it may have value, but Putin is not by any means a normal human.

                                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #3010

                                  While he’s trying to sell it (or something to whom, no one knows for certain), Putin is slowly drowning him in a spoonful of water.

                                  Elbows up!

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