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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote last edited by
    #2992

    Ah, yes. The gravity of the situation.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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      jon-nyc
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      #2993

      I was heartened by this.

      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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      • MikM Offline
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        wrote last edited by Mik
        #2994

        The comments are interesting too. It's perhaps not apples to apples but it's a good development, nonetheless.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        • MikM Offline
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          wrote last edited by
          #2995

          Not a good development, but probably to be expected given the environment Ukraine endured under Soviet rule.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-s-top-ministers-resign-amid-100m-corruption-scandal/ar-AA1Qjy5u

          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          • W Offline
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            #2996

            Putin's power bloc cracking?

            https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/64394

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            • MikM Offline
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              wrote last edited by
              #2997

              Interesting.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • W Wim

                Putin's power bloc cracking?

                https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/64394

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                Renauda
                wrote last edited by Renauda
                #2998

                @Wim

                Makes sense in so far as Russia is not and never has been a monolith state. It also explains the internal struggle since the dissolution of the USSR between the siloviki (strongmen - security services, military) and the financial/industrial business elites. He correctly identifies Rosneft’s Igor Sechin as more than just associated with the FSB. Back in the 90’s Rosneft was the poor boy in the oil patch a badly managed state owned oil company that could not compete with its privatized competition like LUKOil or Surgutneftegaz. That all changed with the arrival of Putin in the Kremlin and during the course of his first two terms Rosneft came to be among the top three Russian oil companies. By now it is probably the most powerful in the country as in terms of production, refining capacity and lucrative financial assets outside of the oil business internally and abroad.

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Offline
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                  wrote last edited by Mik
                  #2999

                  Not a cheery article. I can't help but wonder where we would be if the west had supported Ukraine more whole-heartedly. All for using the frozen Russian assets.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelensky-is-losing-touch-with-reality/ar-AA1QGvyu

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  • MikM Mik

                    Not a cheery article. I can't help but wonder where we would be if the west had supported Ukraine more whole-heartedly. All for using the frozen Russian assets.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelensky-is-losing-touch-with-reality/ar-AA1QGvyu

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                    Renauda
                    wrote last edited by
                    #3000

                    @Mik

                    Not cheery but as one observer I read pointed out:

                    To be clear, the fact Ukraine’s investigators — and its raucous free press — are absolutely going to town on elites is itself evidence of a living, breathing (if coughing) democracy worth defending. One need only glance over the border to recall the alternative.

                    Can anyone send us the link to Russia’s credible investigation after the Panama Papers exposed Putin’s billions? Or how his best friend (Roldugin) earned billions playing a cello? (dude must be awesome). Or why the guy who made a two-hour documentary on Putin’s $1.4 billion Black Sea mega-palace ended up dead in a Putin prison?

                    The absence of scandal in an autocracy is often just a symptom of its silent, dehumanising condition. And inversely (if uncomfortably), the presence of scandal in a democracy often just reflects the messy but sacred human agency underneath. And that’s worth fighting for, everywhere, every time.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      wrote last edited by
                      #3001

                      Good observation.

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                      • MikM Mik

                        Good observation.

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                        @Mik

                        I thought so as well.

                        I’m the meantime, I have nothing to say about the past 24 hrs of hearsay surrounding Moscow’s and Dim Philby’s (Witkoff the dummkopf) latest terms of unconditional surrender being laid out before the embattled Ukrainian nation.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          #3003

                          Oh, the cash for land, but you really still own it? Absurd to the point of surreal.

                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                            wrote last edited by Renauda
                            #3004

                            Surreal is right. I really cannot comprehend how the US could even table the alleged terms for the Ukranians’ consideration.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              wrote last edited by
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                              He's just throwing shit against the wall to see if anything sticks.

                              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                Renauda
                                wrote last edited by Renauda
                                #3006

                                I don’t believe that for a minute. War diplomacy is not a jam session to see what sticks to the wall.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  wrote last edited by Mik
                                  #3007

                                  Normally, no, it isn't. but we're pretty short on normal here. I don't think Trump can conceive of someone NOT wanting to make a deal.

                                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                    Renauda
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                                    #3008

                                    You may be right… after all, Trump still thinks Putin is his trusted friend. 🙄

                                    Elbows up!

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