The Ukraine war thread

[jon-nyc]

It strikes me as equivalent to a ceasefire in Gaza but Hamas gets to stay in power.

[Renauda]

@jon-nyc

You’re right. US formal recognition of Russian ownership over Crimea and occupied territories sets a dangerous precedent. It also runs counter to established US foreign policy that never recognised the Soviet forced incorporation of the Baltic countries into the USSR. To expect and even demand other NATO member states to follow suit and reward Russia is not only bad foreign policy but is wholly irresponsible as a founding member of the Alliance.

Ultimately it amounts to rewarding aggressor states and lets them off the hook for any accountability for their actions. No credible deterrent to future aggression.

[jon-nyc]

Right but if it further enriches the Trump family that seems totally worth it.

[jon-nyc]

Peace talks will fail, the administration will blame Ukraine, unilaterally dismantle our sanction regime on Russia, while refusing to sell military gear to Kyiv.

For peace.

[jon-nyc]

Three years ago, Sen Rubio co-sponsored an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act to prohibit US recognition of Crimea as part of Russia.

[Mik]

It’s just kicking the can down the road in the vain and naive hope that the next Russian president will somehow be better.

[Renauda]

Another look at Trump’s plan. Not sure if I agree with how all facts are presented or whether “the peace deal” is a common sense approach. I still do not understand the rationale behind calling it anything other than an armistice agreement and, a tenuous armistice at that, given the political reality on the ground between Russia and Ukraine. It is an “Armistice Agreement” nothing more. Trump is only deluding himself thinking it can be anything other.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/trump-ukraine-peace-plane/

[Mik]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russian-general-killed-in-car-bomb-attack-near-moscow/ar-AA1DCtHy

[Wim]

Pro-Russia American killed in Ukraine...

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/51486

[jon-nyc]

Senator Kennedy speaks

[Renauda]

Kennedy gets it, in fact, he got it all along.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

Kennedy gets it, in fact, he got it all along.

Will Trump listen?

[Renauda]

Said the spider to the fly…

negotiate with us not Washington…

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/30/kremlin-to-ukraine-negotiate-with-us-not-washington-a88930

[jon-nyc]

Hope it’s true and durable.

[Renauda]

Big holiday week throughout Russia this week celebrating 9 May, Victory Day. I doubt whether the mayhem will be sustained much past the weekend.

[jon-nyc]

Amateur hour continues. He uses a Russian interpreter instead of bringing his own.

[Renauda]

Face palm

[taiwan_girl]

[Renauda]

No better way to tell the Kremlin that not only are you not willing to play any of the cards you can play, but you have never been the least bit serious about the diplomatic initiative you have launched from the onset. A clown show.

[Wim]

Medvedev speaking bluntly:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/moscow-rejects-kievs-peace-plan-152431680.html