The Ukraine war thread

[Mik]

It’s just kicking the can down the road in the vain and naive hope that the next Russian president will somehow be better.

[Renauda]

Another look at Trump’s plan. Not sure if I agree with how all facts are presented or whether “the peace deal” is a common sense approach. I still do not understand the rationale behind calling it anything other than an armistice agreement and, a tenuous armistice at that, given the political reality on the ground between Russia and Ukraine. It is an “Armistice Agreement” nothing more. Trump is only deluding himself thinking it can be anything other.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/trump-ukraine-peace-plane/

[Mik]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russian-general-killed-in-car-bomb-attack-near-moscow/ar-AA1DCtHy

[Wim]

Pro-Russia American killed in Ukraine...

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/51486

[jon-nyc]

Senator Kennedy speaks

[Renauda]

Kennedy gets it, in fact, he got it all along.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

Kennedy gets it, in fact, he got it all along.

Will Trump listen?

[Renauda]

Said the spider to the fly…

negotiate with us not Washington…

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/30/kremlin-to-ukraine-negotiate-with-us-not-washington-a88930

[jon-nyc]

Hope it’s true and durable.

[Renauda]

Big holiday week throughout Russia this week celebrating 9 May, Victory Day. I doubt whether the mayhem will be sustained much past the weekend.

[jon-nyc]

Amateur hour continues. He uses a Russian interpreter instead of bringing his own.

[Renauda]

Face palm

[taiwan_girl]

[Renauda]

No better way to tell the Kremlin that not only are you not willing to play any of the cards you can play, but you have never been the least bit serious about the diplomatic initiative you have launched from the onset. A clown show.

[Wim]

Medvedev speaking bluntly:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/moscow-rejects-kievs-peace-plan-152431680.html

[Renauda]

No surprise. Further proof that Kremlin is not serious about peace talks with Ukraine. In absence of Putin at least send the obnoxious foreign minister, Lavrov to meet with the Ukrainians for the meeting Putin ordered in the first place. Zelenskyi and a couple of his ministers will be there tomorrow and Friday. Word has it that so will Rubio.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpqe9g0vn57o

And here:

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/05/14/putin-taps-kremlin-aide-medinsky-to-lead-new-istanbul-talks-with-ukraine-a89086

Like Republican Senator Kennedy of Louisiana pointed out a couple weeks back, Putin is playing the US (read: Trump Administration) for a bunch of chumps.

[Tom-K]

@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

Kennedy gets it, in fact, he got it all along.

For all his, "awe shuks" and "yes" and "no ma'am" he's the smartest guy in the Senate.

[Horace]

@Tom-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

Kennedy gets it, in fact, he got it all along.

For all his, "awe shuks" and "yes" and "no ma'am" he's the smartest guy in the Senate.

I'm sure he loves it when people underestimate him.

[Renauda]

Well at least Russia has moved past some its medieval mythology to justify the war. It’s now moved on to early modern history lessons from the time Peter the Great:

“The Great Northern War with Sweden lasted 21 years. Twenty-one years. But just a few years after it began, Peter the Great offered peace to the Swedes… What did the Swedes say? ‘No, we will fight to the last Swede’,” Medinsky said in an interview with pro-Kremlin TV host Yevgeny Popov.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/05/16/kremlin-negotiator-invokes-peter-the-greats-21-year-war-with-sweden-in-ukraine-talks-a89109

Still, the Russians get the history of the war with Sweden wrong and lay a back handed insult to all members of NATO at the same time. But that is only to be expected of an aggressor state.

Kremlin is not interested in any terms short of Ukraine’s total capitulation.

[Horace]