The Ukraine war thread
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Listen, Obama did not do a thing when Putin took the Crimea. Biden had three years to push Putin out of Ukraine or cut a deal and he didn't.
What wasn't of paramount importance, suddenly is. Actually, ending the war NOW is in America's best interests.
Again, who gives a shit about the lace around the doily? Does Zelensky cut a deal or watch his country be absorbed by Russia?
We're way past the kindergarten stage.
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Listen, Obama did not do a thing when Putin took the Crimea. Biden had three years to push Putin out of Ukraine or cut a deal and he didn't.
What wasn't of paramount importance, suddenly is. Actually, ending the war NOW is in America's best interests.
Again, who gives a shit about the lace around the doily? Does Zelensky cut a deal or watch his country be absorbed by Russia?
We're way past the kindergarten stage.
I half agree with you, but a few points:
- Obama led the effort to put sanctions on Russia (he convinced Merkel, who helped convince the rest of Europe), which essentially stopped Russia from going beyond Crimea into Donbas. Nonetheless, I agree the response was relatively weak.
- As @Renauda points out, we are looking like we just want profit for our investment, it's scummy. And the rare earth metals there are not rare at all, btw. Nonetheless, either we need to man up and force Russia out or we need to just cut and run and let Russia take Ukraine, then Moldova and Belarus. This wishy-washy appeasement crap would make Reagan roll in his grave.
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@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Listen, Obama did not do a thing when Putin took the Crimea. Biden had three years to push Putin out of Ukraine or cut a deal and he didn't.
What wasn't of paramount importance, suddenly is. Actually, ending the war NOW is in America's best interests.
Again, who gives a shit about the lace around the doily? Does Zelensky cut a deal or watch his country be absorbed by Russia?
We're way past the kindergarten stage.
I half agree with you, but a few points:
- Obama led the effort to put sanctions on Russia (he convinced Merkel, who helped convince the rest of Europe), which essentially stopped Russia from going beyond Crimea into Donbas. Nonetheless, I agree the response was relatively weak.
- As @Renauda points out, we are looking like we just want profit for our investment, it's scummy. And the rare earth metals there are not rare at all, btw. Nonetheless, either we need to man up and force Russia out or we need to just cut and run and let Russia take Ukraine, then Moldova and Belarus. This wishy-washy appeasement crap would make Reagan roll in his grave.
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I would like more details about that. The abuses of the asylum system are well known, and that needed to be cracked down on. I wonder if this is a first step to looking more critically at each of the asylees. This order is not targeted at Ukrainians. It applies much more broadly.
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The obvious abuses are economic refugees, mostly from Latin America, claiming political asylum.
Seems like the refugees from the war in Ukraine is the type of situation that asylum laws were created for.
You were warned.
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Shameful
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
Shameful
Wouldn’t shock me if Canada or Europe took them in. They’ve even learned English by now.
You were warned.
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The obvious abuses are economic refugees, mostly from Latin America, claiming political asylum.
Seems like the refugees from the war in Ukraine is the type of situation that asylum laws were created for.
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
The obvious abuses are economic refugees, mostly from Latin America, claiming political asylum.
Seems like the refugees from the war in Ukraine is the type of situation that asylum laws were created for.
Which is why I don't expect these people to actually be deported. I suspect this reporting is motivated rhetoric, about a broad ruling that happens to include Ukrainian refugees in a set of people who will be looked at to determine their legitimacy as asylees.
Education is extremely important.
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Wouldn’t shock me if Canada or Europe took them in. They’ve even learned English by now..
I am confident Canada will welcome all Ukrainians who arrive at our border seeking refuge from not only Putin’s jackboot but now, the perfidy of the Trump regime as well.
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The obvious abuses are economic refugees, mostly from Latin America, claiming political asylum.
Seems like the refugees from the war in Ukraine is the type of situation that asylum laws were created for.
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
The obvious abuses are economic refugees, mostly from Latin America, claiming political asylum.
Same with a lot from Asia (China, India, even some from Taiwan, etc.)
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
Shameful
Wouldn’t shock me if Canada or Europe took them in. They’ve even learned English by now.
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
Shameful
Wouldn’t shock me if Canada or Europe took them in. They’ve even learned English by now.
Plus, Ukrainian chicks are pretty
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@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
The obvious abuses are economic refugees, mostly from Latin America, claiming political asylum.
Seems like the refugees from the war in Ukraine is the type of situation that asylum laws were created for.
Which is why I don't expect these people to actually be deported. I suspect this reporting is motivated rhetoric, about a broad ruling that happens to include Ukrainian refugees in a set of people who will be looked at to determine their legitimacy as asylees.
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
The obvious abuses are economic refugees, mostly from Latin America, claiming political asylum.
Seems like the refugees from the war in Ukraine is the type of situation that asylum laws were created for.
Which is why I don't expect these people to actually be deported. I suspect this reporting is motivated rhetoric, about a broad ruling that happens to include Ukrainian refugees in a set of people who will be looked at to determine their legitimacy as asylees.
It's hardball negotiating.
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
The obvious abuses are economic refugees, mostly from Latin America, claiming political asylum.
Seems like the refugees from the war in Ukraine is the type of situation that asylum laws were created for.
Which is why I don't expect these people to actually be deported. I suspect this reporting is motivated rhetoric, about a broad ruling that happens to include Ukrainian refugees in a set of people who will be looked at to determine their legitimacy as asylees.
It's hardball negotiating.
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
The obvious abuses are economic refugees, mostly from Latin America, claiming political asylum.
Seems like the refugees from the war in Ukraine is the type of situation that asylum laws were created for.
Which is why I don't expect these people to actually be deported. I suspect this reporting is motivated rhetoric, about a broad ruling that happens to include Ukrainian refugees in a set of people who will be looked at to determine their legitimacy as asylees.
It's hardball negotiating.
If it true, I hope you and the rest of the bullying MAGAt filth with whom you march in lock step are proud of the lies and deceit you so blindly support and propagate.
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Off the top of my head I’m thinking of 8 Ukrainians who came to YYC during this war. All but 2 speak, read, write fluent English. Very well educated, they take on minimum wage jobs .. they are diligent, quick, efficient. I remember the 2 brand new refugees who helped my son move. They were hired by a Ukrainian Canadian who owns a moving company. Complete with their cell phones, google maps and a translation app they figured out my kid’s IKEA and wifi situation, sourced out the location for the needed IKEA part, went above and beyond setting up his furniture and equipment. They didn’t have to do that. Those 2 boys were really strong, and had a treadmill unloaded and down a narrow L-shaped stairwell in minutes. The girls & mothers I know (1 whom I’ve friended) all have good educations. I’ve volunteered anything I can do to help them with their permanent residency applications. Ukrainians are darn good people, smart, industrious and make for the best citizens. Canada (prairie people especially) knew this long before this recent war. I grew up alongside many Ukrainians. We’d love to have more of them as teachers, doctors, nurses, tech people.
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Off the top of my head I’m thinking of 8 Ukrainians who came to YYC during this war. All but 2 speak, read, write fluent English. Very well educated, they take on minimum wage jobs .. they are diligent, quick, efficient. I remember the 2 brand new refugees who helped my son move. They were hired by a Ukrainian Canadian who owns a moving company. Complete with their cell phones, google maps and a translation app they figured out my kid’s IKEA and wifi situation, sourced out the location for the needed IKEA part, went above and beyond setting up his furniture and equipment. They didn’t have to do that. Those 2 boys were really strong, and had a treadmill unloaded and down a narrow L-shaped stairwell in minutes. The girls & mothers I know (1 whom I’ve friended) all have good educations. I’ve volunteered anything I can do to help them with their permanent residency applications. Ukrainians are darn good people, smart, industrious and make for the best citizens. Canada (prairie people especially) knew this long before this recent war. I grew up alongside many Ukrainians. We’d love to have more of them as teachers, doctors, nurses, tech people.
Our son works part time in a local grocery store. At least a half dozen of his coworkers are young Ukrainian women who are here under temporary work visas for Ukrainian war refugees. They are all intelligent, polite, hard working and above all appreciative of the unwavering support Canada gives their nation its just struggle against tyranny.
Elbows up!
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Our son works part time in a local grocery store. At least a half dozen of his coworkers are young Ukrainian women who are here under temporary work visas for Ukrainian war refugees. They are all intelligent, polite, hard working and above all appreciative of the unwavering support Canada gives their nation its just struggle against tyranny.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
the unwavering support Canada gives their nation its just struggle against tyranny.Show off.
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Guys, this is old news. January 28th or so, there was an EO basically halting all of the renewals and extensions for the TPS and Refugee programs. This was primarily aimed at those feline feasting Haitians in Springfield and Charleroi, along with the Venezuelan gang members hiding among the legitimate refugees. There are alternative methods to deal with the individual requests for asylum, they just aren’t doing blanket renewals like the prior administration.
This is a journalism instance of malicious implementation.
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The EO directed DHS to end all the specialized parole programs. This is the implementation. Had they wished to limit it to Haiti and Venezuela they could have chosen that route instead.
In fairness, the administration has recently said no decision has been made, so maybe they’ll still back off this one.
