The Ukraine war thread

[jon-nyc]

I’m thinking of Mark Steyn

[LuFins Dad]

Mark Levin was an attorney working for the Reagan administration. He had some role in the Contragate hearings and became Ed Meese’s chief of staff.

[jon-nyc]

Noah Rothman.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/03/republicans-are-fooling-themselves-on-the-ukraine-war/

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

Noah Rothman.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/03/republicans-are-fooling-themselves-on-the-ukraine-war/

Rothman’s original never-trump attitude is coloring his read of the issue. The security guarantees are Trump’s bargaining chip. Not for Putin, but for Zelenskyy. He can’t give that without Zelenskyy getting past his “no concessions” stance. I don’t get the impression that Zelenskyy wants to accept anything less than the 2013 borders. That’s not happening without a major escalation that Zelenskyy’s allies have no stomach for. Trump needs those security agreements to bring Ukraine to the table.

[Renauda]

@LuFins-Dad

I don’t agree. Zelenskyi is enough of a realist to know he cannot expect Putin return so much as a metre of occupied territory. Likewise, he will agree to the concessions agreement - he will designate one of his cabinet ministers to sign on Ukraine’s behalf. He said so yesterday at presser in the UK.

[89th]

[Jolly]

@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:

You had one job and you fucked it up.

Lick your calf over again.

[Renauda]

You had one job and you fucked it up.

Lick your calf over again.

Better than constantly licking Trump’s ass like at least two people do in here. Right, Beauregard?

[taiwan_girl]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwygxvvrd8do

The US has paused intelligence sharing with Ukraine, the White House National Security Adviser said on Wednesday, adding that the administration was reviewing all aspects of its intelligence relationship with the country.

When asked whether intelligence sharing had been put on hold along with military aid, Mike Waltz told reporters: "We have, we have taken a step back."

The US has shared intelligence with Ukraine since the early stages of the war in 2022.

At some point (probably long past), this just looks like pettiness by President Trump. "Ooooh, President Zelensky did kiss my shoes in the Oval Office. I am going to show him!!!!"

[Jolly]

Listen, Obama did not do a thing when Putin took the Crimea. Biden had three years to push Putin out of Ukraine or cut a deal and he didn't.

What wasn't of paramount importance, suddenly is. Actually, ending the war NOW is in America's best interests.

Again, who gives a shit about the lace around the doily? Does Zelensky cut a deal or watch his country be absorbed by Russia?

We're way past the kindergarten stage.

[Renauda]

Actually, ending the war NOW is in America's best interests.

If that is the case, and suspect it is for a host of defensible reasons, then it is incumbent that the US actually begin acting like the honest broker and adult in the room it says it is.

At the moment the US appears anything but an adult or honest broker. Indeed it appears to be acting as a vindictive and venal third party looking to profit from the conflict.

[jon-nyc]

[Jolly]

You wear your cap often?

[Wim]

Anonymous sources of course, but yet...

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/03/04/kremlin-fears-trump-zelensky-clash-could-harm-its-shot-at-a-grand-bargain-a88247

[Tom-K]

Here's a video by a Russian woman explaining why Russian men volunteer to die in Ukraine.

Link to video

If I was a Russian I'd probably be fighting in Ukraine too.

[Renauda]

@Tom-K

Nothing to dispute, she presents the reality and facts very well.

[Axtremus]

Not surprised at what she presented.
I have no illusion regarding Russia's prosperity or the lack thereof.

I like the painting or wallpaper on her wall and/or closet door in her background.

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

We're way past the kindergarten stage.

Agree. Somebody needs to tell President Trump that.

[89th]

@taiwan_girl said in The Ukraine war thread:

@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

We're way past the kindergarten stage.

Agree. Somebody needs to tell President Trump that.

POTD! But no need, he's clearly in 3rd grade.

[89th]

@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

Listen, Obama did not do a thing when Putin took the Crimea. Biden had three years to push Putin out of Ukraine or cut a deal and he didn't.

What wasn't of paramount importance, suddenly is. Actually, ending the war NOW is in America's best interests.

Again, who gives a shit about the lace around the doily? Does Zelensky cut a deal or watch his country be absorbed by Russia?

We're way past the kindergarten stage.

I half agree with you, but a few points:

• Obama led the effort to put sanctions on Russia (he convinced Merkel, who helped convince the rest of Europe), which essentially stopped Russia from going beyond Crimea into Donbas. Nonetheless, I agree the response was relatively weak.
• As @Renauda points out, we are looking like we just want profit for our investment, it's scummy. And the rare earth metals there are not rare at all, btw. Nonetheless, either we need to man up and force Russia out or we need to just cut and run and let Russia take Ukraine, then Moldova and Belarus. This wishy-washy appeasement crap would make Reagan roll in his grave.