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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 2 Jan 2025, 21:58 last edited by
    #2355

    For three years, the US and Europe prioritized escalation management that left Ukraine with no clear path forward to an equitable negotiation for a lasting peace, or at the very least, an enduring armistice with Russia.

    For a guy who placed all the blame on Putin a paragraph or two earlier, this sure seems like a backtrack.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      kluurs
      wrote on 3 Jan 2025, 03:25 last edited by kluurs 1 Mar 2025, 03:26
      #2356

      A false post on TikTok with comments…
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        Renauda
        wrote on 3 Jan 2025, 16:29 last edited by Renauda 1 Mar 2025, 16:30
        #2357

        Coming to a theatre near you:

        In June 2024, Keith Kellogg, a retired lieutenant general and national security adviser to former President Donald Trump, presented a plan he co-authored with the former CIA analyst Fred Fleitz that proposed halting the delivery of U.S. weapons to Ukraine if Kyiv didn’t enter into peace talks with Moscow—but also warning Moscow that if it refused to negotiate with Kyiv, Washington would increase its support for Ukraine. About five months later, President-elect Trump named Kellogg as his special envoy for Ukraine and Russia. “The makeup of the war has expanded,” Kellogg said in an interview, “and it’s time to put it back in a box.”

        In response to Kellogg’s nomination, Konstantin Malofeyev, a Russian oligarch with ties to the Kremlin, told a reporter for the Financial Times what he thought the likely Russian response would be. “Kellogg comes to Moscow with his plan, we take it and then tell him to screw himself, because we don’t like any of it,” Malofeyev said. “That’d be the whole negotiation.

        Full article:

        https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/america-needs-maximum-pressure-strategy-ukraine?mkt_tok=NjU5LVdaWC0wNzUAAAGXyDiXbHNEgg3Tw_5jmLF2FdozZf-acYHqTJgwxZdnKxTqw_Wm2QvfjykLucM1XxCzRtlfqAh-hhUWukdd5gEQqcpOJa6rc5-pXtbfOPbgog4Z

        Elbows up!

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          Mik
          wrote on 23 Jan 2025, 18:21 last edited by
          #2358

          What we are learning from the Ukrainians

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-s-fighter-pilots-are-using-cold-war-skills-the-west-deemphasized-decades-ago-but-may-need-again-former-us-pilot-says/ar-AA1xIyUe

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Jolly
            wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 01:27 last edited by
            #2359

            And I assume the Norks and Chinese are learning from the Russians.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Wim
              wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:52 last edited by
              #2360

              Trump meeting Putin, an opinion:

              https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/01/27/negotiations-with-trump-are-a-win-win-for-the-kremlin-a87763

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                Renauda
                wrote on 29 Jan 2025, 17:33 last edited by Renauda
                #2361

                Putin refuses to face Zelensky directly in any armistice negotiations:

                "If [Zelensky] wants to participate in the negotiations, I will send people to take part," Putin said in comments to state TV journalist Pavel Zarubin, calling the Ukrainian leader "illegitimate" since his presidential term expired last year during martial law.

                Putin will stop at nothing to pit Zelenskyi against Trump in the negotiation process. This is only his opening gambit salvo.

                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/01/29/putin-says-ukraine-peace-talks-possible-but-not-with-zelensky-a87775

                Elbows up!

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 29 Jan 2025, 18:30 last edited by
                  #2362

                  Yep. That's exactly what he's doing.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on 1 Feb 2025, 18:57 last edited by
                    #2363

                    The Kremlin continues to win the hearts and minds of Ukrainians:

                    Russia launched a large-scale attack on several regions overnight, hitting residential buildings in Odesa, Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhia, Presidential Office head Andriy Yermak said. "Attacks on residential buildings, civilians, typical tactics of the Russian army," he wrote on Telegram.

                    https://kyivindependent.com/at-least-3-dead-10-injured-in-poltava-after-russia-attacks-residential-building/

                    Elbows up!

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 13:53 last edited by
                      #2364

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/is-russia-s-war-machine-finally-facing-bankruptcy/ar-AA1yj3U5

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        taiwan_girl
                        wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 19:10 last edited by
                        #2365

                        https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0rqj171zzvo

                        The leader of a pro-Russian paramilitary group in eastern Ukraine has died in hospital after being injured in an explosion in Moscow on Monday morning, Russian media have said.

                        Armen Sargsyan, the leader of the "Arbat" battalion, was severely injured following a blast in the entrance hall of a residential building in north-west Moscow, 12km (7 miles) from the Kremlin.

                        He was evacuated to a hospital by helicopter and placed in intensive care after the explosion, but eventually succumbed to his injuries, according to usually reliable Telegram sources.

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 20:37 last edited by
                          #2366

                          Too bad. I don’t feel the least bit sorry.

                          Slava Ukraini

                          Elbows up!

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 21:49 last edited by
                            #2367

                            In Moscow. How about that.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              Wim
                              wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 22:34 last edited by
                              #2368

                              But-but-but his friend Putin wants them too...

                              https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/trump-says-he-wants-ukraine-supply-us-with-rare-earths-2025-02-03/

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 22:42 last edited by Renauda 2 Mar 2025, 23:32
                                #2369

                                @Wim

                                Zelenskyi should consider offering them to Trump in exchange for becoming the 51st state. He offered that option - we also
                                have huge untapped reserves of rare earths- to us just a few hours back, but we refused.

                                Zelenskyi might just take him up on the offer. Under the present circumstances, if I were Zelenskyi, I would give it serious consideration. Certainly a long term end to the war and one the EU would be perfectly ammenable.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  3 Feb 2025, 22:42

                                  @Wim

                                  Zelenskyi should consider offering them to Trump in exchange for becoming the 51st state. He offered that option - we also
                                  have huge untapped reserves of rare earths- to us just a few hours back, but we refused.

                                  Zelenskyi might just take him up on the offer. Under the present circumstances, if I were Zelenskyi, I would give it serious consideration. Certainly a long term end to the war and one the EU would be perfectly ammenable.

                                  W Do not disturb
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                                  Wim
                                  wrote on 4 Feb 2025, 10:05 last edited by
                                  #2370

                                  @Renauda My thought as well.

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                                  • W Wim
                                    4 Feb 2025, 10:05

                                    @Renauda My thought as well.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 4 Feb 2025, 15:07 last edited by
                                    #2371

                                    @Wim

                                    I was being facetious. Still, though……it would send Putin into an apoplectic fit.

                                    Go for it!

                                    😆

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      Wim
                                      wrote on 4 Feb 2025, 15:42 last edited by
                                      #2372

                                      Well, there is Pokrovsk...
                                      Trump better hurry.

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on 6 Feb 2025, 22:27 last edited by Renauda 2 Jul 2025, 00:59
                                        #2373

                                        Something is coming down between the Kremlin and Washington in weeks ahead:

                                        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/02/06/putin-trump-talks-expected-in-february-or-march-senior-russian-lawmaker-says-a87894

                                        Curious whether Washington sees fit to ensure that Zelenskyi will be an in-person part and at the table throughout the process.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 19:13 last edited by
                                          #2374

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/07/russia-withdraws-north-korea-troops-kursk-deaths-ukraine-war

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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