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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #2350

    Wow....

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #2351

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/an-honourable-peace-is-within-ukraine-s-grasp/ar-AA1wf8Cc

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • W Offline
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        Wim
        wrote on last edited by
        #2352

        Naval drone downs Russian helicopter:

        https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-downs-russian-helicopter-using-missile-equipped-naval-drone-for-the-first-time/

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        • George KG George K

          Wow....

          LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on last edited by
          #2353

          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Wow....

          Suicide drones? WTF are suicide drones? It’s a guided missile….

          The Brad

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #2354

            Russia’s Imperial Mindset: Understanding The Roots Of The Ukraine War

            Much of the discussion is tied up in American domestic politics, as it trails the last presidential election. Indeed, this war should have never happened, and whatever “Russia explainers” might say going forward, there should be no doubt that the horrendous cost in Ukrainian and Russian lives is squarely on Vladimir Putin and his enablers in the Kremlin.

            What Putin Wants in Ukraine

            But taking a principled stance will not move the needle toward a durable armistice. In fact, by all indications, Moscow is not interested in anything short of an all-out surrender by Kyiv, including the foreclosure of any prospects for Ukraine’s membership in NATO, the de facto disbandment of the Ukrainian armed forces, and consigning Ukraine into the Russian sphere of influence. Putin has no real incentive to negotiate in good faith because he believes that at this stage, he is winning, and unfortunately, he is right.

            For three years, the US and Europe prioritized escalation management that left Ukraine with no clear path forward to an equitable negotiation for a lasting peace, or at the very least, an enduring armistice with Russia.

            Today, Putin continues to signal that there is no deal he would accept that would not be tantamount to a victory for Russia because he believes he can defeat Ukraine at an acceptable cost, and thus deliver a devastating blow to US interests across the globe, undermining the system the United States and its democratic allies put in place post-Cold War. For three years of this war the West has offered no strategy for victory, while the horrendous attrition on the battlefield, combined with the mass flight of civilians from the front, has left Ukraine with roughly one-fourth of the population of the Russian Federation.

            To appreciate the scope of the bloodletting and the attendant emigration from Ukraine, consider that on the day of its independence from the Soviet Union in 1991 Ukraine had some 52 million citizens, on the eve of Russia’s second invasion in 2022 the number was just under 40 million, while today there are somewhere between 27-30 million people left in the country. So, while much of the debate in Washington has centered around whether to continue to supply Ukraine with money, weapons, and munitions, the stark reality is that the country is beginning to run out of people.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #2355

              For three years, the US and Europe prioritized escalation management that left Ukraine with no clear path forward to an equitable negotiation for a lasting peace, or at the very least, an enduring armistice with Russia.

              For a guy who placed all the blame on Putin a paragraph or two earlier, this sure seems like a backtrack.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • kluursK Online
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                kluurs
                wrote on last edited by kluurs
                #2356

                A false post on TikTok with comments…
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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                  #2357

                  Coming to a theatre near you:

                  In June 2024, Keith Kellogg, a retired lieutenant general and national security adviser to former President Donald Trump, presented a plan he co-authored with the former CIA analyst Fred Fleitz that proposed halting the delivery of U.S. weapons to Ukraine if Kyiv didn’t enter into peace talks with Moscow—but also warning Moscow that if it refused to negotiate with Kyiv, Washington would increase its support for Ukraine. About five months later, President-elect Trump named Kellogg as his special envoy for Ukraine and Russia. “The makeup of the war has expanded,” Kellogg said in an interview, “and it’s time to put it back in a box.”

                  In response to Kellogg’s nomination, Konstantin Malofeyev, a Russian oligarch with ties to the Kremlin, told a reporter for the Financial Times what he thought the likely Russian response would be. “Kellogg comes to Moscow with his plan, we take it and then tell him to screw himself, because we don’t like any of it,” Malofeyev said. “That’d be the whole negotiation.

                  Full article:

                  https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/america-needs-maximum-pressure-strategy-ukraine?mkt_tok=NjU5LVdaWC0wNzUAAAGXyDiXbHNEgg3Tw_5jmLF2FdozZf-acYHqTJgwxZdnKxTqw_Wm2QvfjykLucM1XxCzRtlfqAh-hhUWukdd5gEQqcpOJa6rc5-pXtbfOPbgog4Z

                  Elbows up!

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2358

                    What we are learning from the Ukrainians

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-s-fighter-pilots-are-using-cold-war-skills-the-west-deemphasized-decades-ago-but-may-need-again-former-us-pilot-says/ar-AA1xIyUe

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2359

                      And I assume the Norks and Chinese are learning from the Russians.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • W Offline
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                        Wim
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2360

                        Trump meeting Putin, an opinion:

                        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/01/27/negotiations-with-trump-are-a-win-win-for-the-kremlin-a87763

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                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                          #2361

                          Putin refuses to face Zelensky directly in any armistice negotiations:

                          "If [Zelensky] wants to participate in the negotiations, I will send people to take part," Putin said in comments to state TV journalist Pavel Zarubin, calling the Ukrainian leader "illegitimate" since his presidential term expired last year during martial law.

                          Putin will stop at nothing to pit Zelenskyi against Trump in the negotiation process. This is only his opening gambit salvo.

                          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/01/29/putin-says-ukraine-peace-talks-possible-but-not-with-zelensky-a87775

                          Elbows up!

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2362

                            Yep. That's exactly what he's doing.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2363

                              The Kremlin continues to win the hearts and minds of Ukrainians:

                              Russia launched a large-scale attack on several regions overnight, hitting residential buildings in Odesa, Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhia, Presidential Office head Andriy Yermak said. "Attacks on residential buildings, civilians, typical tactics of the Russian army," he wrote on Telegram.

                              https://kyivindependent.com/at-least-3-dead-10-injured-in-poltava-after-russia-attacks-residential-building/

                              Elbows up!

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                              • MikM Offline
                                MikM Offline
                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2364

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/is-russia-s-war-machine-finally-facing-bankruptcy/ar-AA1yj3U5

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2365

                                  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0rqj171zzvo

                                  The leader of a pro-Russian paramilitary group in eastern Ukraine has died in hospital after being injured in an explosion in Moscow on Monday morning, Russian media have said.

                                  Armen Sargsyan, the leader of the "Arbat" battalion, was severely injured following a blast in the entrance hall of a residential building in north-west Moscow, 12km (7 miles) from the Kremlin.

                                  He was evacuated to a hospital by helicopter and placed in intensive care after the explosion, but eventually succumbed to his injuries, according to usually reliable Telegram sources.

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                                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2366

                                    Too bad. I don’t feel the least bit sorry.

                                    Slava Ukraini

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2367

                                      In Moscow. How about that.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • W Offline
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                                        Wim
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2368

                                        But-but-but his friend Putin wants them too...

                                        https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/trump-says-he-wants-ukraine-supply-us-with-rare-earths-2025-02-03/

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                                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #2369

                                          @Wim

                                          Zelenskyi should consider offering them to Trump in exchange for becoming the 51st state. He offered that option - we also
                                          have huge untapped reserves of rare earths- to us just a few hours back, but we refused.

                                          Zelenskyi might just take him up on the offer. Under the present circumstances, if I were Zelenskyi, I would give it serious consideration. Certainly a long term end to the war and one the EU would be perfectly ammenable.

                                          Elbows up!

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