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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    Russian use of the double tap strikes. Essentially strike your civilian target , wait long enough for first responders to arrive on the scene and organise then strike the target one or two times more. Excellent way to win the hearts and minds of good people:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68761490

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    George K
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    #2148

    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

    the double tap strikes

    Didn't the Germans use a similar tactic in London?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #2149

      Not sure or better, not sure they could even if they wanted. True enough though that Gerry would send multiple waves of bombers on target areas during the course of many blitz missions. Still nothing compared to a double tap precision weapon strike on a specific targets of today. Aerial bombing was just not that accurate or precise in WWII. Stuka diver bombers had some degree of accuracy (depending on the skill of the pilot) but were limited by their speed, range and were totally defenceless to Hurricanes and Spits.

      Elbows up!

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #2150

        So this is where it stands:

        "We know that many countries are sitting on large piles of Patriot systems, maybe not wanting to deliver it directly," Rutte said after arriving at the two-day summit of EU leaders in Brussels.

        "We can buy it from them, we can deliver it to Ukraine, we have the money available. It's crucial."

        https://kyivindependent.com/dutch-pm-offers-to-buy-patriot-systems-from-allies-for-ukraine/

        The Danish Defense Ministry announced on April 16 a new 2.2 billion kroner ($313 million) military aid package for Ukraine. The package includes 200 million Danish kroner ($28.5 million) earmarked for purchases from Ukraine's defense industry.

        "This is the first and so far unprecedented decision to purchase military products from Ukrainian manufacturers at the expense of another country," the Strategic Industries Ministry said in a statement.

        https://kyivindependent.com/denmark-first-to-buy-weapons-for-ukraine-from-ukrainian-manufacturer-in-deal-worth-28-5-million/

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Away
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          Mik
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          #2151

          Not sure I understand how this helps Ukraine. Are they producing surplus of some weaponry?

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #2152

            I think that the Danes are purchasing from the Ukrainian supplier on behalf of the government in Kyiv. There’s no money in the coffers to pay for these weapons to keep the manufacturers in business.

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
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              #2153

              Makes sense.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • W Do not disturb
                W Do not disturb
                Wim
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                #2154

                Trump on Ukraine. Wonder what made him adjust his stance...

                https://www.reuters.com/world/donald-trump-says-ukraines-survival-is-important-us-2024-04-18/

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                • W Wim

                  Trump on Ukraine. Wonder what made him adjust his stance...

                  https://www.reuters.com/world/donald-trump-says-ukraines-survival-is-important-us-2024-04-18/

                  taiwan_girlT Offline
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                  taiwan_girl
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2155

                  @Wim Votes in the upcoming election?

                  I still dont get this blind allegiance to President Trump, as if he is some kind of "savant" who is smarter than everybody else. "OMG - President Trump said this/endorses this so it must be correct."

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #2156

                    In the last week Trump has met with both the British Foreign Secretary and the Polish Foreign Minister. Those meetings may have had an impact on Trump’s thinking on the Ukraine issue in the immediate short term. Likewise he sees how the GOP has divided itself over Ukraine aid issue.

                    Fair enough that he wants NATO members to meet or exceed their commitments for defence. That is reasonable. As for European assistance to Ukraine, I doubt that he has a clear understanding of the extent of European assistance beyond arms. Trump’s meetings with Cameron and Duda might have disproved some misconceptions and assumptions. Who’s to know? Will have to see who and what else takes his ear, to know where he wants to take this.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • W Do not disturb
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                      Wim
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                      #2157

                      I had forgotten that Trump already met Polish president Duda in 2019. They share a lot of political ideas 🥴

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                      • W Wim

                        I had forgotten that Trump already met Polish president Duda in 2019. They share a lot of political ideas 🥴

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                        #2158

                        @Wim

                        Thanks for the correction. I confused Duda with Sikorski. Also forgot that the former was still president of Poland. In any case, unlike Orban, Duda at least understands that Putin will never negotiate in good faith over Ukraine (or really anything) and that Russia is a real threat to global security that must be contained and kept contained. On other political topics though I am sure he and Trump are good friends.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • MikM Away
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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2159

                          A wakeup call for the west.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ubn-the-us-needs-to-wake-up/ar-AA1niizP?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=f17d0d3896f84870e2083c032784dcbe&ei=10

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by Renauda
                            #2160

                            A page out of the Stalin playbook. First you put the party or state official on notice by arresting his deputy and getting a confession. You then follow that up by arresting the official at a future time and place of your choosing:

                            https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/04/24/defense-officials-bribery-arrest-signals-shoigus-waning-influence-in-the-kremlin-a84946

                            Stayed tuned, there will be more to come…

                            Elbows up!

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                            • RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2161

                              Petulant bastards:

                              https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/05/04/russia-adds-zelensky-to-criminal-wanted-list-a85036

                              Elbows up!

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
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                                #2162

                                Things are going badly:

                                https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-fortifications-8a72981dfdb755de6f8011b13f4d062e

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2163

                                  Russia is fighting as Russia does. And unless Europe steps up bigly, Russia will win this war and take however much of Ukraine they want within the next 24 months.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                    #2164

                                    Macron is talking of sending troops, the British implying they would consider it and the Poles are watching and waiting. Romanians are doing the same. Might just happen. All are members of NATO.

                                    Wonder that if it were to happen that they pull the trigger, that’s sufficiently bigly for some?

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • HoraceH Online
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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on last edited by
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                                      WW3 or Russia wins. Which was the prediction at the start, as far as I’m aware.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        WW3 or Russia wins. Which was the prediction at the start, as far as I’m aware.

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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2166

                                        @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        WW3 or Russia wins.

                                        A WW could solve a lot of problems.

                                        Russia wins, just leads to the next one, which makes the WW a little more difficult.

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                                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #2167

                                          A WW could solve a lot of problems

                                          Yes, DEI and everything progressivism entails, good and bad, would be consigned to the rubbish heap of history.

                                          Hell, even cigarette smoking might even make a socially acceptable come back.

                                          Best of all, there will be jobs, jobs and more jobs in manufacturing and the oil and gas sector. Cost of labour will drop.

                                          Any remaining leftists - male, female or gender identified fucked up - will be either incarcerated and lobotomised or sent directly to the front lines as expendable shock or diversionary forces

                                          Elbows up!

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