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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #2156

    In the last week Trump has met with both the British Foreign Secretary and the Polish Foreign Minister. Those meetings may have had an impact on Trump’s thinking on the Ukraine issue in the immediate short term. Likewise he sees how the GOP has divided itself over Ukraine aid issue.

    Fair enough that he wants NATO members to meet or exceed their commitments for defence. That is reasonable. As for European assistance to Ukraine, I doubt that he has a clear understanding of the extent of European assistance beyond arms. Trump’s meetings with Cameron and Duda might have disproved some misconceptions and assumptions. Who’s to know? Will have to see who and what else takes his ear, to know where he wants to take this.

    Elbows up!

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    • W Offline
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      Wim
      wrote on last edited by
      #2157

      I had forgotten that Trump already met Polish president Duda in 2019. They share a lot of political ideas 🥴

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      • W Wim

        I had forgotten that Trump already met Polish president Duda in 2019. They share a lot of political ideas 🥴

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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #2158

        @Wim

        Thanks for the correction. I confused Duda with Sikorski. Also forgot that the former was still president of Poland. In any case, unlike Orban, Duda at least understands that Putin will never negotiate in good faith over Ukraine (or really anything) and that Russia is a real threat to global security that must be contained and kept contained. On other political topics though I am sure he and Trump are good friends.

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
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          #2159

          A wakeup call for the west.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ubn-the-us-needs-to-wake-up/ar-AA1niizP?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=f17d0d3896f84870e2083c032784dcbe&ei=10

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #2160

            A page out of the Stalin playbook. First you put the party or state official on notice by arresting his deputy and getting a confession. You then follow that up by arresting the official at a future time and place of your choosing:

            https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/04/24/defense-officials-bribery-arrest-signals-shoigus-waning-influence-in-the-kremlin-a84946

            Stayed tuned, there will be more to come…

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
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              #2161

              Petulant bastards:

              https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/05/04/russia-adds-zelensky-to-criminal-wanted-list-a85036

              Elbows up!

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                #2162

                Things are going badly:

                https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-fortifications-8a72981dfdb755de6f8011b13f4d062e

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
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                  #2163

                  Russia is fighting as Russia does. And unless Europe steps up bigly, Russia will win this war and take however much of Ukraine they want within the next 24 months.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #2164

                    Macron is talking of sending troops, the British implying they would consider it and the Poles are watching and waiting. Romanians are doing the same. Might just happen. All are members of NATO.

                    Wonder that if it were to happen that they pull the trigger, that’s sufficiently bigly for some?

                    Elbows up!

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                    • HoraceH Offline
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2165

                      WW3 or Russia wins. Which was the prediction at the start, as far as I’m aware.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        WW3 or Russia wins. Which was the prediction at the start, as far as I’m aware.

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                        Copper
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                        #2166

                        @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        WW3 or Russia wins.

                        A WW could solve a lot of problems.

                        Russia wins, just leads to the next one, which makes the WW a little more difficult.

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                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                          #2167

                          A WW could solve a lot of problems

                          Yes, DEI and everything progressivism entails, good and bad, would be consigned to the rubbish heap of history.

                          Hell, even cigarette smoking might even make a socially acceptable come back.

                          Best of all, there will be jobs, jobs and more jobs in manufacturing and the oil and gas sector. Cost of labour will drop.

                          Any remaining leftists - male, female or gender identified fucked up - will be either incarcerated and lobotomised or sent directly to the front lines as expendable shock or diversionary forces

                          Elbows up!

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2168

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by Renauda
                              #2169

                              @George-K

                              Not quite. Shoigu will replace Nikolai Patrushev as Head of the RF Security Council. Not exactly a demotion.

                              What is more significant is where Putin places Patrushev. He is perhaps the most ruthless, paranoid and hawkish of Putin’s inner circle of siloviki. He could well be Putin’s Beria. Does not bode well for anyone with Russian citizenship in country or for the relatives left in country of any Russian living abroad.

                              Just another step towards becoming a European version of North Korea.

                              Edit: Shoigu’s replacement at the MinDef is Andrei Belousov until now First Dep Prime Minister. Belousov is a highly regarded technocrat bean counter. A Winston Wolf kind of guy who fixes things.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2170

                                @Renauda thanks for the insights. I really appreciate them.

                                Sometimes breathless Twitter....

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @Renauda thanks for the insights. I really appreciate them.

                                  Sometimes breathless Twitter....

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2171

                                  @George-K

                                  I didn’t mean to leave the impression though, that Shoigu is now safe anywhere near a window in a multi-storey building. He’s clearly not at all safe.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2172

                                    Warning - graphic drone strike.

                                    ***Gory War Stuff***

                                    click to show


                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2173

                                      Wrong place, wrong time. By place, I mean Ukraine.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2174

                                        So Patrushev is appointed Putin’s Special Aid. Not sure what it means but I am confident the secret police and security services will benefit at everyone’s expense.

                                        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-69007468

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2175

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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