The Ukraine war thread
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Well...
https://www.ft.com/content/7f14efe8-2f4c-47a2-aa6b-9a755a39b626
Russia is no longer requesting Ukraine be “denazified” and is prepared to let Kyiv join the EU if it remains militarily non-aligned as part of ongoing ceasefire negotiations, according to four people briefed on the discussions.
Moscow and Kyiv are discussing a pause in hostilities as part of a possible deal that would involve Ukraine abandoning its drive for Nato membership in exchange for security guarantees and the prospect to join the EU, the people said under the condition of anonymity because the matter is not yet finalised.
The draft ceasefire document does not contain any discussion of three of Russia’s initial core demands — “denazification”, “demilitarisation”, and legal protection for the Russian language in Ukraine — the people added.
Envoys from both sides are to meet in Istanbul on Tuesday in a fourth round of peace talks designed to end president Vladimir Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The concessions on Russia’s side come as its month-long ground offensive has largely stalled as a result of fiercer Ukrainian resistance than expected and Russian operational deficiencies.
But Ukraine and its western backers remain sceptical of Putin’s intentions, worrying that the Russian president could be using the talks as a smokescreen to replenish his exhausted forces and plan a fresh offensive.
"Security guarantees."
LOLGF
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Anybody else have a small little nugget of doubt about this Russian withdrawal from Kyiv? A thought that maybe they aren’t withdrawing so much as getting out of the way?
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I cast doubt on everything they say they are doing.
I have said many times here, there are two types of people. The first type tells you it's raining and you think , "oh, it's raining".
The other type tells you the same thing and you think "now why would they want it to be raining?".
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I cast doubt on everything they say they are doing.
I have said many times here, there are two types of people. The first type tells you it's raining and you think , "oh, it's raining".
The other type tells you the same thing and you think "now why would they want it to be raining?".
Samuel Ramani tweets:
(good source for news - https://twitter.com/samramani2)
Zelensky gets it right:
“Yes, we can call positive the signals we hear from the negotiating platform. But these signals do not silence the explosion of Russian shells.”
Russia’s “withdrawal” from Kyiv is looking a lot like Anwar Sadat’s expulsion of Soviet advisors in 1972. An old school Kremlin feint.
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https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-appears-begun-shelling-russian-005724169.html
The Ukrainian military has begun to take the fight to Russian territory, a new development in what has been a primarily defensive war for the country.
Russian authorities were forced to place two villages under emergency orders and evacuate some citizens due to Ukrainian shelling in the area, according to reports from multiple Russian media outlets.
RIA Novosti, a Russian government-controlled publication, reported Tuesday that an explosion near the village of Zhuravlyovka injured four people. The outlet reported that the source of the explosion was an attack that originated from within Ukraine.
Interfax, another Kremlin-friendly publication, reported that Zhuravlyovka and the nearby town of Niekhoteyevka were placed under emergency orders, and roughly 180 people were evacuated to the city of Belgorod as the result of an explosion at an ammunition depot.
Interfax did not pin blame for the explosion on Ukraine, but it did note that authorities believe it was not an accident.
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Lol, took me a minute…
@LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:
Lol, took me a minute…
It's like those "Amtrak train plows into SUV" headlines.
(didn't mention Waukesha, didja notice?)
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@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
Interesting
My gallows humor keeps imagining this scenario where Russia is eventually beaten back, Putin removed from power, and five years later Ukraine attacks Poland bearing the Swastika and we find out Zelensky is really Adolph Hitler’s great-grandson…
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
Imagine that, you invade a country, and are shocked when they push back.
That actually would be huge news, and is what I wondered about last week but was quickly told that it wouldn’t happen, Ukraine would only fight a defensive war and not attack targets in Russia itself.
The Brad
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I believe the discussion revolved around Ukraine invading Russian territory. There would be no strategic advantage. Strikes against specific high value targets are a very different matter.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
