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    Mik
    wrote on 8 Jul 2023, 15:51 last edited by
    #1781

    Speaking of disaffected troops..

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-troops-say-their-only-money-will-go-to-ammo-refuse-to-fight/ar-AA1dzH0x?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4d53b8465c2548d8b607a4fa0d2b1984&ei=19

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • R Renauda
      8 Jul 2023, 04:48

      @Mik

      My thinking as well. This war is truly a meat grinder for both sides.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 9 Jul 2023, 12:53 last edited by
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      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

      @Mik

      My thinking as well. This war is truly a meat grinder for both sides.

      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

      @Mik

      My thinking as well. This war is truly a meat grinder for both sides.

      Problem is, Russia has more meat.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Mik
        wrote on 9 Jul 2023, 12:56 last edited by
        #1783

        Russia also has a populace weary of war and an army that doesn't believe in the mission nor want to fight. Ukraine has a population fighting for their families.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          Jolly
          wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 12:17 last edited by
          #1784

          If this is now a war of attrition, one side will eventually break the other. If Russia wishes to continue to commit blood and treasure, they have the resources to defeat Ukraine.

          Maybe the Russian people finally get enough of it and they change their government by some mechanism. So far, though, they haven't.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Renauda
            wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 14:32 last edited by
            #1785

            More from the alternative reality called Putin’s Russia….

            https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/10/prigozhin-met-putin-in-person-after-failed-mutiny-kremlin-confirmskremlin-a81793

            Elbows up!

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              Mik
              wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 14:40 last edited by
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              Can’t afford to lose the troops.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • M Mik
                10 Jul 2023, 14:40

                Can’t afford to lose the troops.

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                Renauda
                wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 14:48 last edited by
                #1787

                @Mik

                I think you may be right.

                Elbows up!

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                • R Renauda
                  10 Jul 2023, 14:32

                  More from the alternative reality called Putin’s Russia….

                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/10/prigozhin-met-putin-in-person-after-failed-mutiny-kremlin-confirmskremlin-a81793

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                  George K
                  wrote on 10 Jul 2023, 23:36 last edited by
                  #1788

                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  More from the alternative reality called Putin’s Russia….

                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/10/prigozhin-met-putin-in-person-after-failed-mutiny-kremlin-confirmskremlin-a81793

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Wim
                    wrote on 11 Jul 2023, 10:14 last edited by
                    #1789

                    Submarine commander killed
                    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/19325?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic%2Feurope

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                    • W Wim
                      11 Jul 2023, 10:14

                      Submarine commander killed
                      https://www.kyivpost.com/post/19325?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic%2Feurope

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 11 Jul 2023, 11:56 last edited by
                      #1790

                      @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      Submarine commander killed
                      https://www.kyivpost.com/post/19325?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic%2Feurope

                      They wanted to make sure he was dead. A Makarov mag only holds 8 rounds.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        Wim
                        wrote on 11 Jul 2023, 14:57 last edited by
                        #1791

                        Another one bites the dust...
                        https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/07/11/russias-southern-military-district-deputy-commander-lt-gen-tsokov-killed-in-missile-strike-media/

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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on 11 Jul 2023, 18:20 last edited by
                          #1792

                          New study shows that probably 50K russians soldiers have died in the Ukraine war.

                          https://metro.co.uk/2023/07/11/nearly-50000-russian-men-have-died-in-ukraine-war-new-study-finds-19103067/

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 11 Jul 2023, 18:31 last edited by Mik 7 Nov 2023, 23:28
                            #1793

                            I had read that, but it doesn't begin to touch the not immediately fatal casualties. How many actually died is not nearly as consequential as those who can no longer fight.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              George K
                              wrote on 11 Jul 2023, 21:13 last edited by
                              #1794

                              Expanding Mik's comment: Conventional wisdom is that for every one fatality, at least two more are injured beyond the point where they can return to combat. So total casualties are in excess of 150K.

                              The question is what about Ukrainian casualties?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 11 Jul 2023, 21:22 last edited by
                                #1795

                                This guy keeps track.

                                https://lookerstudio.google.com/u/0/reporting/dfbcec47-7b01-400e-ab21-de8eb98c8f3a/page/p_wdrgjv1iyc?s=tJipopktA34

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • G George K
                                  11 Jul 2023, 21:22

                                  This guy keeps track.

                                  https://lookerstudio.google.com/u/0/reporting/dfbcec47-7b01-400e-ab21-de8eb98c8f3a/page/p_wdrgjv1iyc?s=tJipopktA34

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 11 Jul 2023, 21:23 last edited by
                                  #1796

                                  @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  This guy keeps track.

                                  https://lookerstudio.google.com/u/0/reporting/dfbcec47-7b01-400e-ab21-de8eb98c8f3a/page/p_wdrgjv1iyc?s=tJipopktA34

                                  He claims 60.8K Russian soldiers confirmed killed.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • G George K
                                    11 Jul 2023, 21:23

                                    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    This guy keeps track.

                                    https://lookerstudio.google.com/u/0/reporting/dfbcec47-7b01-400e-ab21-de8eb98c8f3a/page/p_wdrgjv1iyc?s=tJipopktA34

                                    He claims 60.8K Russian soldiers confirmed killed.

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                                    taiwan_girl
                                    wrote on 12 Jul 2023, 01:39 last edited by
                                    #1797

                                    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    This guy keeps track.

                                    https://lookerstudio.google.com/u/0/reporting/dfbcec47-7b01-400e-ab21-de8eb98c8f3a/page/p_wdrgjv1iyc?s=tJipopktA34

                                    He claims 60.8K Russian soldiers confirmed killed.

                                    Any idea of the Ukraine killed?

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 14 Jul 2023, 11:31 last edited by
                                      #1798

                                      Missed it by that much.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 14 Jul 2023, 18:12 last edited by
                                        #1799

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          taiwan_girl
                                          wrote on 15 Jul 2023, 00:58 last edited by
                                          #1800

                                          "A Russian general in charge of forces fighting in southern Ukraine has been relieved of his duties after speaking out about problems faced by his troops, a move that reflected new fissures in the military command following a brief rebellion by mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin."

                                          https://www.armytimes.com/flashpoints/ukraine/2023/07/13/russian-generals-dismissal-reveals-new-crack-in-military-leadership/

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