The Ukraine war thread

[Renauda]

[Mik]

I’d look askance at that rumor, but maybe we can’t entirely count out the actions of disaffected troops, be they Wagner or Russian army.

[Renauda]

@Mik

My thinking as well. This war is truly a meat grinder for both sides.

[Wim]

https://www.forces.net/ukraine/ukraine-warns-russian-holidaymakers-crimea-stay-away-80s-style-parody-video

[George K]

[Mik]

Speaking of disaffected troops..

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-troops-say-their-only-money-will-go-to-ammo-refuse-to-fight/ar-AA1dzH0x?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4d53b8465c2548d8b607a4fa0d2b1984&ei=19

[Jolly]

@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

@Mik

My thinking as well. This war is truly a meat grinder for both sides.

@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

@Mik

My thinking as well. This war is truly a meat grinder for both sides.

Problem is, Russia has more meat.

[Mik]

Russia also has a populace weary of war and an army that doesn't believe in the mission nor want to fight. Ukraine has a population fighting for their families.

[Jolly]

If this is now a war of attrition, one side will eventually break the other. If Russia wishes to continue to commit blood and treasure, they have the resources to defeat Ukraine.

Maybe the Russian people finally get enough of it and they change their government by some mechanism. So far, though, they haven't.

[Renauda]

More from the alternative reality called Putin’s Russia….

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/10/prigozhin-met-putin-in-person-after-failed-mutiny-kremlin-confirmskremlin-a81793

[Mik]

Can’t afford to lose the troops.

[Renauda]

@Mik

I think you may be right.

[George K]

@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

More from the alternative reality called Putin’s Russia….

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/10/prigozhin-met-putin-in-person-after-failed-mutiny-kremlin-confirmskremlin-a81793

[Wim]

Submarine commander killed
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/19325?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic%2Feurope

[Jolly]

@Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

Submarine commander killed
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/19325?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic%2Feurope

They wanted to make sure he was dead. A Makarov mag only holds 8 rounds.

[Wim]

Another one bites the dust...
https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/07/11/russias-southern-military-district-deputy-commander-lt-gen-tsokov-killed-in-missile-strike-media/

[taiwan_girl]

New study shows that probably 50K russians soldiers have died in the Ukraine war.

https://metro.co.uk/2023/07/11/nearly-50000-russian-men-have-died-in-ukraine-war-new-study-finds-19103067/

[Mik]

I had read that, but it doesn't begin to touch the not immediately fatal casualties. How many actually died is not nearly as consequential as those who can no longer fight.

[George K]

Expanding Mik's comment: Conventional wisdom is that for every one fatality, at least two more are injured beyond the point where they can return to combat. So total casualties are in excess of 150K.

The question is what about Ukrainian casualties?

[George K]

This guy keeps track.

https://lookerstudio.google.com/u/0/reporting/dfbcec47-7b01-400e-ab21-de8eb98c8f3a/page/p_wdrgjv1iyc?s=tJipopktA34