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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #1775

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG George K

      RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #1776

      @George-K

      Don’t know what to make of that.

      A few of days back there was a rumour, albeit unsubstantiated, that mutinous Wagner mercenaries were going to bomb the Kerch bridge. I suspect it was just that - a rumour being circulated in a couple of dubious Fleet Street tabloids.

      Elbows up!

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #1777

        I’d look askance at that rumor, but maybe we can’t entirely count out the actions of disaffected troops, be they Wagner or Russian army.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          I’d look askance at that rumor, but maybe we can’t entirely count out the actions of disaffected troops, be they Wagner or Russian army.

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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by
          #1778

          @Mik

          My thinking as well. This war is truly a meat grinder for both sides.

          Elbows up!

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          • W Offline
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            Wim
            wrote on last edited by
            #1779

            https://www.forces.net/ukraine/ukraine-warns-russian-holidaymakers-crimea-stay-away-80s-style-parody-video

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #1780

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #1781

                Speaking of disaffected troops..

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-troops-say-their-only-money-will-go-to-ammo-refuse-to-fight/ar-AA1dzH0x?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4d53b8465c2548d8b607a4fa0d2b1984&ei=19

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  @Mik

                  My thinking as well. This war is truly a meat grinder for both sides.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1782

                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  @Mik

                  My thinking as well. This war is truly a meat grinder for both sides.

                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  @Mik

                  My thinking as well. This war is truly a meat grinder for both sides.

                  Problem is, Russia has more meat.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1783

                    Russia also has a populace weary of war and an army that doesn't believe in the mission nor want to fight. Ukraine has a population fighting for their families.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1784

                      If this is now a war of attrition, one side will eventually break the other. If Russia wishes to continue to commit blood and treasure, they have the resources to defeat Ukraine.

                      Maybe the Russian people finally get enough of it and they change their government by some mechanism. So far, though, they haven't.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1785

                        More from the alternative reality called Putin’s Russia….

                        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/10/prigozhin-met-putin-in-person-after-failed-mutiny-kremlin-confirmskremlin-a81793

                        Elbows up!

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1786

                          Can’t afford to lose the troops.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            Can’t afford to lose the troops.

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1787

                            @Mik

                            I think you may be right.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              More from the alternative reality called Putin’s Russia….

                              https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/10/prigozhin-met-putin-in-person-after-failed-mutiny-kremlin-confirmskremlin-a81793

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1788

                              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              More from the alternative reality called Putin’s Russia….

                              https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/10/prigozhin-met-putin-in-person-after-failed-mutiny-kremlin-confirmskremlin-a81793

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • W Offline
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                                Wim
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1789

                                Submarine commander killed
                                https://www.kyivpost.com/post/19325?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic%2Feurope

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                                • W Wim

                                  Submarine commander killed
                                  https://www.kyivpost.com/post/19325?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic%2Feurope

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1790

                                  @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  Submarine commander killed
                                  https://www.kyivpost.com/post/19325?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic%2Feurope

                                  They wanted to make sure he was dead. A Makarov mag only holds 8 rounds.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • W Offline
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                                    Wim
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1791

                                    Another one bites the dust...
                                    https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/07/11/russias-southern-military-district-deputy-commander-lt-gen-tsokov-killed-in-missile-strike-media/

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                                    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1792

                                      New study shows that probably 50K russians soldiers have died in the Ukraine war.

                                      https://metro.co.uk/2023/07/11/nearly-50000-russian-men-have-died-in-ukraine-war-new-study-finds-19103067/

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                                      • MikM Offline
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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by Mik
                                        #1793

                                        I had read that, but it doesn't begin to touch the not immediately fatal casualties. How many actually died is not nearly as consequential as those who can no longer fight.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1794

                                          Expanding Mik's comment: Conventional wisdom is that for every one fatality, at least two more are injured beyond the point where they can return to combat. So total casualties are in excess of 150K.

                                          The question is what about Ukrainian casualties?

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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