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  • W Offline
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    Wim
    wrote on last edited by
    #1708

    This looks serious:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/ukrainian-troops-launch-attacks-along-donetsk-frontline

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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by
      #1709

      Something definitely percolating there. Not only with armed forces but PsyOps as well:

      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/05/radio-waves-air-fake-putin-state-of-war-address-a81403

      Elbows up!

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        bachophile
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        #1710

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        • bachophileB bachophile

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          Jon
          wrote on last edited by
          #1711

          @bachophile

          Damn.

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          • JonJ Jon

            @bachophile

            Damn.

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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #1712

            @Jon said in The Ukraine war thread:

            @bachophile

            Damn.

            Each side is accusing the other, of course. However, from what I've read, this limits Ukraine's ability to cross the river and execute their counter-offensive.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #1713

              It doesn't make much sense for anyone but Russia to be behind it.

              https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2023/06/06/why-is-the-nova-kakhovka-dam-so-important/

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                It doesn't make much sense for anyone but Russia to be behind it.

                https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2023/06/06/why-is-the-nova-kakhovka-dam-so-important/

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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #1714

                alt text

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1715

                  Link to video

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1716

                    More predictions of doom for Putin, civil war in Russia, end of the federation. Who knows. The collapse of the federation might be the worst thing that could happen.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1717

                      I clearly remember a time not all that long ago when there was a similar fear that the USSR would collapse. I was even sent to DC to attend a conference discussing the various scenarios and consequences of a collapse. Plenty of gloom and doom in those presentations.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1718

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1719

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1720

                            They might want to rethink the dam thing. It's not working out real well.

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-troops-flee-first-line-of-defense-near-kherson-all-wet/ar-AA1ceQiK?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8b7e28fee78f47ed8c8ef5bba937fc41&ei=20

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • George KG George K

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1721

                              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Good jet.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1722

                                https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/06/08/wagner-leader-yevgeny-prigozhin-predicts-firing-squads-russia-ukraine-ebof-vpx.cnn

                                Wagner chief makes some predictions about the Ukraine war ...

                                I don't get why this Wagner chief keeps making public statements about the Ukraine war. What is there for him to gain from making these public statements?

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/06/08/wagner-leader-yevgeny-prigozhin-predicts-firing-squads-russia-ukraine-ebof-vpx.cnn

                                  Wagner chief makes some predictions about the Ukraine war ...

                                  I don't get why this Wagner chief keeps making public statements about the Ukraine war. What is there for him to gain from making these public statements?

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1723

                                  @Axtremus said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/06/08/wagner-leader-yevgeny-prigozhin-predicts-firing-squads-russia-ukraine-ebof-vpx.cnn

                                  In order to watch a 54 second news report, I had to watch a 30 second advertisement. Thanks, CNN.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • MikM Offline
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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1724

                                    Prigozhin seems to be setting up to lead a civil war or coup.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1725

                                      Analysis of dam destruction:

                                      https://www.dw.com/en/russians-likely-underestimated-flood-impact-military-expert/video-65848035

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by George K
                                        #1726

                                        From ISW on the dam:


                                        The destruction of the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant (KHPP) dam is significantly changing the geography and topography of the Kherson frontline sector in southern Ukraine. Near-infrared (NIR) imagery captured at 0400 am ET on June 7 indicates that the flooding is heavily disrupting Russian prepared defensive positions on the east (left) bank of the Dnipro River – especially affecting Russian first-line positions in Hola Prystan and Oleshky. Various sources reported that Oleshky, Hola Prystan, Kozacha Laheri, and Dnipryany are almost entirely flooded with water levels rising to the height of a one-story buildings in some areas.[1] The Ukrainian headquarters established to remediate the consequences of the dam’s destruction reported that as of June 7 29 settlements are partially or fully flooded, 19 of which are located on the Ukrainian-controlled territory and 10 on Russian occupied territories.[2] Russian sources published footage indicating that water had begun receding in Nova Kakhovka and had dropped by 30cm.[3] Russian sources also claimed that water levels decreased by three to four meters in some areas from a high of 10 meters.[4] Water levels in nearby Mykolaiv City reportedly increased by 70cm as of June 7.[5] Flooding will likely worsen and further change the geography in Kherson Oblast over the next 72 hours.

                                        The destruction of the KHPP dam is affecting Russian military positions on the eastern bank of the Dnipro River. The flooding has destroyed many Russian first line field fortifications that the Russian military intended to use to defend against Ukrainian attacks. Rapid flooding has likely forced Russian personnel and military equipment in Russian main concentration points in Oleshky and Hola Prystan to withdraw. Russian forces had previously used these positions to shell Kherson City and other settlements on the west (right bank) of Kherson. Ukrainian Southern Operational Command Spokesperson Nataliya Humenyuk stated that Russian forces relocated their personnel and military equipment from five to 15 kilometers from the flood zone, which places Russian forces out of artillery range of some settlements on the west (right bank) of the Dnipro River they had been attacking.[6] The flood also destroyed Russian minefields along the coast, with footage showing mines exploding in the flood water.[7] Kherson Oblast Occupation Head Vladimir Saldo, however, claimed that the destruction of the KHPP is beneficial to the Russian defenses because it will complicate Ukrainian advances across the river.[8] Saldo’s assessment of the situation ignores the loss of Russia’s first line of prepared fortifications. The amount of Russian heavy equipment lost in the first 24 hours of flooding is also unclear.


                                        Either this was a decision by Ukraine to take it out to achieve strategic advantage, or a huge blunder by Russia. Given this history of this war, I'd guess the latter.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1727

                                          Drone crashes into residential building in Russia’s Voronezh

                                          Photos of the residential complex allegedly damaged during the attack appeared on Telegram. Preliminary information suggests the drone may have been flying towards the Baltimor airfield but collided with a window of a residential building, reported pro-Russian channel Baza

                                          Russia was quick to blame Ukraine, with Dmitry Peskov, the spokesperson for Russian dictator Vladimir Putin, making the accusation, Russian propagandist media reported.

                                          "The Kyiv regime continues to attack civilian infrastructure and residential buildings. The activities of the Kyiv regime persist, and we continue to fight against it," Peskov lied.

                                          The balls...

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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