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  • M Mik
    16 Mar 2023, 15:27

    A more detailed piece on the Russian claim that the west is to blame. A grain of salt, as it is written by Russian state media. An interesting view.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/unrest-around-russian-borders-shows-when-empires-crumble-they-become-murderous/ar-AA18HHXD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7536fce55e1b4b2fa423121c1e845622&ei=50

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    Renauda
    wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 16:05 last edited by Renauda
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    @Mik

    Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have more holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.

    Elbows up!

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      Renauda
      wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 16:17 last edited by Renauda
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      Poland to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Hopefully this will encourage other former WP members to release their Soviet era inventories to Ukraine. Better late than never.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64975770

      Elbows up!

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        16 Mar 2023, 16:05

        @Mik

        Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have more holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.

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        wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 16:38 last edited by
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        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

        @Mik

        Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.

        Yeah, blaming colonialism is SO 20th century. 😁

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • R Renauda
          16 Mar 2023, 16:17

          Poland to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Hopefully this will encourage other former WP members to release their Soviet era inventories to Ukraine. Better late than never.

          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64975770

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          wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 16:39 last edited by
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          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Poland to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Hopefully this will encourage other former WP members to release their Soviet era inventories to Ukraine. Better late than never.

          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64975770

          Anything that gives the Russians more to worry about is good.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Mik
            wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 18:43 last edited by
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            However, more planes may not do much good, with both sides having effective ground threats to them.

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fighter-jets-are-worthless-over-ukraine-and-it-s-a-sign-of-what-us-pilots-and-troops-may-face-in-future-battles/ar-AA18IDMr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=756ad92001b64cd7d3c6c6f1b1f9b445&ei=22

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • M Mik
              16 Mar 2023, 18:43

              However, more planes may not do much good, with both sides having effective ground threats to them.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fighter-jets-are-worthless-over-ukraine-and-it-s-a-sign-of-what-us-pilots-and-troops-may-face-in-future-battles/ar-AA18IDMr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=756ad92001b64cd7d3c6c6f1b1f9b445&ei=22

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              Renauda
              wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 19:12 last edited by Renauda
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              @Mik

              I get that it is a recognized dilemma in this war. Nevertheless at least by sending Ukraine the Soviet era aircraft the NATO states close to Ukraine and Russia can modernise their air forces. As well, by supplying Ukraine with more air capability, Russia will continue to be held back from gaining any meaningful air superiority over a wide area in Ukraine.

              Besides this war is not about to end any time soon. We either support Ukraine to the hilt or not.

              Elbows up!

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                Mik
                wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 19:15 last edited by
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                Agreed. We have to stand fast here, regardless of duration. Otherwise we leave it that states can advance through military means.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 19:25 last edited by
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                  Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

                  https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

                  Elbows up!

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 19:36 last edited by
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                    Interesting. I wonder how much they are actually using them right now.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 22:49 last edited by
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                      GROM

                      https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/evidence-of-russia-using-grom-standoff-weapons-in-ukraine-emerges

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • R Renauda
                        16 Mar 2023, 19:25

                        Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

                        https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 22:53 last edited by
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                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

                        https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

                        Old argument. Back in the day, I made the argument that the U.S. should buy some Frogfoots from the Russians, plonk some new avionics in them and give them refueling capability.

                        They are a very capable airframe that can operate off of truly horrendous runways.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 14:00 last edited by
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                          https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/slovak-government-send-mig-29-fighter-jets-ukraine-pm-2023-03-17/

                          Good. Now, I wonder how the U.S. program is progressing that allows NATO weapons to be used on Soviet and Russian aircraft?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 20:11 last edited by
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                            Putin was indicted before Trump! Who would have guessed that? It doesn't mean a whole lot, but it does put a little more pressure on him by further harming his international stature.

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/international-arrest-warrant-issued-for-vladimir-putin-but-will-the-russian-president-be-taken-away-in-cuffs/ar-AA18LfJ8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=af5a6f5c9c564939b840bf42de05bd53&ei=32

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              Mik
                              wrote on 18 Mar 2023, 17:05 last edited by
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                              An offer he can't refuse

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-may-find-itself-receiving-an-offer-from-china-it-cannot-refuse/ar-AA18N2B9?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=062e341c21ec47eca9cfcaebb42f54fa&ei=27

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • M Mik
                                18 Mar 2023, 17:05

                                An offer he can't refuse

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-may-find-itself-receiving-an-offer-from-china-it-cannot-refuse/ar-AA18N2B9?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=062e341c21ec47eca9cfcaebb42f54fa&ei=27

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on 18 Mar 2023, 22:45 last edited by Renauda
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                                @Mik

                                Indeed it will be interesting to see what comes out of that summit next week, other than the usual overwrought theatre.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 19 Mar 2023, 11:45 last edited by George K
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                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 19 Mar 2023, 11:46 last edited by
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                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      19 Mar 2023, 11:46

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on 19 Mar 2023, 14:20 last edited by
                                      #1519

                                      @George-K

                                      Theatre of the perverse.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on 20 Mar 2023, 11:14 last edited by
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                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 20 Mar 2023, 12:26 last edited by
                                          #1521

                                          Could be behind the reports of him looking puffy.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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