The Ukraine war thread

Mik

A more detailed piece on the Russian claim that the west is to blame. A grain of salt, as it is written by Russian state media. An interesting view.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/unrest-around-russian-borders-shows-when-empires-crumble-they-become-murderous/ar-AA18HHXD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7536fce55e1b4b2fa423121c1e845622&ei=50

Renauda

@Mik

Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have more holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.

Renauda

Poland to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Hopefully this will encourage other former WP members to release their Soviet era inventories to Ukraine. Better late than never.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64975770

Mik

@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

@Mik

Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.

Yeah, blaming colonialism is SO 20th century.

Mik

@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

Poland to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Hopefully this will encourage other former WP members to release their Soviet era inventories to Ukraine. Better late than never.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64975770

Anything that gives the Russians more to worry about is good.

Mik

However, more planes may not do much good, with both sides having effective ground threats to them.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fighter-jets-are-worthless-over-ukraine-and-it-s-a-sign-of-what-us-pilots-and-troops-may-face-in-future-battles/ar-AA18IDMr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=756ad92001b64cd7d3c6c6f1b1f9b445&ei=22

Renauda

@Mik

I get that it is a recognized dilemma in this war. Nevertheless at least by sending Ukraine the Soviet era aircraft the NATO states close to Ukraine and Russia can modernise their air forces. As well, by supplying Ukraine with more air capability, Russia will continue to be held back from gaining any meaningful air superiority over a wide area in Ukraine.

Besides this war is not about to end any time soon. We either support Ukraine to the hilt or not.

Mik

Agreed. We have to stand fast here, regardless of duration. Otherwise we leave it that states can advance through military means.

Renauda

Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

Mik

Interesting. I wonder how much they are actually using them right now.

Jolly

GROM

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/evidence-of-russia-using-grom-standoff-weapons-in-ukraine-emerges

Jolly

@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

Old argument. Back in the day, I made the argument that the U.S. should buy some Frogfoots from the Russians, plonk some new avionics in them and give them refueling capability.

They are a very capable airframe that can operate off of truly horrendous runways.

Jolly

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/slovak-government-send-mig-29-fighter-jets-ukraine-pm-2023-03-17/

Good. Now, I wonder how the U.S. program is progressing that allows NATO weapons to be used on Soviet and Russian aircraft?

Mik

Putin was indicted before Trump! Who would have guessed that? It doesn't mean a whole lot, but it does put a little more pressure on him by further harming his international stature.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/international-arrest-warrant-issued-for-vladimir-putin-but-will-the-russian-president-be-taken-away-in-cuffs/ar-AA18LfJ8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=af5a6f5c9c564939b840bf42de05bd53&ei=32