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    Mik
    wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 21:47 last edited by
    #1493

    Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-is-preparing-for-a-nuclear-showdown-we-must-be-ready/ar-AA18EkYu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1539549b3ce245e8f032596c51b32527&ei=31

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • M Mik
      15 Mar 2023, 21:47

      Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-is-preparing-for-a-nuclear-showdown-we-must-be-ready/ar-AA18EkYu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1539549b3ce245e8f032596c51b32527&ei=31

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      Aqua Letifer
      wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 21:54 last edited by
      #1494

      @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

      Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-is-preparing-for-a-nuclear-showdown-we-must-be-ready/ar-AA18EkYu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1539549b3ce245e8f032596c51b32527&ei=31

      I can't possibly see how this doesn't happen.

      Please love yourself.

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        Copper
        wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 21:55 last edited by
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        If you want peace

        prepare for war

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        • M Mik
          15 Mar 2023, 21:47

          Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-is-preparing-for-a-nuclear-showdown-we-must-be-ready/ar-AA18EkYu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1539549b3ce245e8f032596c51b32527&ei=31

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          Renauda
          wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 22:28 last edited by
          #1496

          @Mik

          Putin is far more rational and calculating than many of his opponents give him credit for. He has a nose for weakness, including for his own fragility, but it is not infallible. He is fond of the good life. As Garry Kasparov pointed out, ‘Putin wants to rule like Stalin but live like Abramovich’.

          Nails it.

          Elbows up!

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            Jolly
            wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 12:27 last edited by
            #1497

            Speaking of nailing it...

            https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11866745/Russias-Wagner-mercenary-group-puts-ad-PORNHUB-new-recruits.html

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • J Jolly
              16 Mar 2023, 12:27

              Speaking of nailing it...

              https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11866745/Russias-Wagner-mercenary-group-puts-ad-PORNHUB-new-recruits.html

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              Mik
              wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 12:39 last edited by
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              @Jolly

              Maybe it should be named the Wanker group.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Jolly
                wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 13:07 last edited by
                #1499

                The French Foreign Legion used to be famous for their comfort girls. Maybe Wagner will adopt a similar policy...

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • J Jolly
                  16 Mar 2023, 13:07

                  The French Foreign Legion used to be famous for their comfort girls. Maybe Wagner will adopt a similar policy...

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 13:29 last edited by
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                  @Jolly

                  They really don’t need comfort girls. WG
                  already has a policy encouraging its brigands to rape and pillage with impunity.

                  Elbows up!

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 15:27 last edited by Mik
                    #1501

                    A more detailed piece on the Russian claim that the west is to blame. A grain of salt, as it is written by Russian state media. An interesting view.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/unrest-around-russian-borders-shows-when-empires-crumble-they-become-murderous/ar-AA18HHXD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7536fce55e1b4b2fa423121c1e845622&ei=50

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • M Mik
                      16 Mar 2023, 15:27

                      A more detailed piece on the Russian claim that the west is to blame. A grain of salt, as it is written by Russian state media. An interesting view.

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/unrest-around-russian-borders-shows-when-empires-crumble-they-become-murderous/ar-AA18HHXD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7536fce55e1b4b2fa423121c1e845622&ei=50

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 16:05 last edited by Renauda
                      #1502

                      @Mik

                      Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have more holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.

                      Elbows up!

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 16:17 last edited by Renauda
                        #1503

                        Poland to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Hopefully this will encourage other former WP members to release their Soviet era inventories to Ukraine. Better late than never.

                        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64975770

                        Elbows up!

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                          16 Mar 2023, 16:05

                          @Mik

                          Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have more holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 16:38 last edited by
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                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          @Mik

                          Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.

                          Yeah, blaming colonialism is SO 20th century. 😁

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            16 Mar 2023, 16:17

                            Poland to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Hopefully this will encourage other former WP members to release their Soviet era inventories to Ukraine. Better late than never.

                            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64975770

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 16:39 last edited by
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                            @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            Poland to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Hopefully this will encourage other former WP members to release their Soviet era inventories to Ukraine. Better late than never.

                            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64975770

                            Anything that gives the Russians more to worry about is good.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              Mik
                              wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 18:43 last edited by
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                              However, more planes may not do much good, with both sides having effective ground threats to them.

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fighter-jets-are-worthless-over-ukraine-and-it-s-a-sign-of-what-us-pilots-and-troops-may-face-in-future-battles/ar-AA18IDMr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=756ad92001b64cd7d3c6c6f1b1f9b445&ei=22

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • M Mik
                                16 Mar 2023, 18:43

                                However, more planes may not do much good, with both sides having effective ground threats to them.

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fighter-jets-are-worthless-over-ukraine-and-it-s-a-sign-of-what-us-pilots-and-troops-may-face-in-future-battles/ar-AA18IDMr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=756ad92001b64cd7d3c6c6f1b1f9b445&ei=22

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 19:12 last edited by Renauda
                                #1507

                                @Mik

                                I get that it is a recognized dilemma in this war. Nevertheless at least by sending Ukraine the Soviet era aircraft the NATO states close to Ukraine and Russia can modernise their air forces. As well, by supplying Ukraine with more air capability, Russia will continue to be held back from gaining any meaningful air superiority over a wide area in Ukraine.

                                Besides this war is not about to end any time soon. We either support Ukraine to the hilt or not.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 19:15 last edited by
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                                  Agreed. We have to stand fast here, regardless of duration. Otherwise we leave it that states can advance through military means.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 19:25 last edited by
                                    #1509

                                    Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

                                    https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 19:36 last edited by
                                      #1510

                                      Interesting. I wonder how much they are actually using them right now.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 22:49 last edited by
                                        #1511

                                        GROM

                                        https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/evidence-of-russia-using-grom-standoff-weapons-in-ukraine-emerges

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          16 Mar 2023, 19:25

                                          Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

                                          https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 22:53 last edited by
                                          #1512

                                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

                                          https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

                                          Old argument. Back in the day, I made the argument that the U.S. should buy some Frogfoots from the Russians, plonk some new avionics in them and give them refueling capability.

                                          They are a very capable airframe that can operate off of truly horrendous runways.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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