The Ukraine war thread
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Is Putin losing control of the message? Interesting note from two days ago:
Russian Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Zakharova confirmed that there is infighting in
the Kremlin inner circle, that the Kremlin has ceded centralized control over the Russian information space, and that Russian President Vladimir Putin apparently cannot readily fix it. Kremlin journalists, academics, and Novorossiya supporters held a forum on the “practical and technological aspects of information and cognitive warfare in modern realities” in Moscow on March 11.[2] During a panel discussion Zakharova stated that the Kremlin cannot replicate the Stalinist approach of establishing a modern equivalent to the Soviet Information Bureau to centrally control Russia’s internal information space due to fighting among unspecified Kremlin “elites.”[3]Zakharova’s statement is noteworthy and supports several of ISW’s longstanding assessments about deteriorating Kremlin regime and information space control dynamics. The statement supports several assessments: that there is Kremlin infighting between key members of Putin’s inner circle; that Putin has largely ceded the Russian information space over time to a variety of quasi-independent actors; and that Putin is apparently unable to take decisive action to regain control over the Russian information space.[4] It is unclear why Zakharova — a seasoned senior spokesperson — would have openly acknowledged these problems in a public setting. Zakharova may have directly discussed these problems for the first time to temper Russian nationalist milbloggers’ expectations regarding the current capabilities of the Kremlin to cohere around a unified narrative — or possibly even a unified policy..
Source: https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-11-2023
wrote on 13 Mar 2023, 14:51 last edited by@Renauda in the early stages of the war, it seems like the Russian populace bought Putin's rhetoric and flag-waving. "De-Nazification!" "Re-uniting Russia!" all sounded pretty good.
And now, 13 months later, with tens of thousands of body bags flowing into Russia it might be hitting home that, well, this was a bad idea. Probably everyone knows someone who has lost someone in the war, or who has sustained a life-crippling injury.
You can't keep that shit up forever with rhetoric.
You have to show gains and "winning." The current battle in Bakhmut is, from what I gather, not strategically important, but from a morale standpoint, it's a must-win for Russia.
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wrote on 13 Mar 2023, 14:55 last edited by
It's not nearly so important to justify the lives lost.
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@Renauda in the early stages of the war, it seems like the Russian populace bought Putin's rhetoric and flag-waving. "De-Nazification!" "Re-uniting Russia!" all sounded pretty good.
And now, 13 months later, with tens of thousands of body bags flowing into Russia it might be hitting home that, well, this was a bad idea. Probably everyone knows someone who has lost someone in the war, or who has sustained a life-crippling injury.
You can't keep that shit up forever with rhetoric.
You have to show gains and "winning." The current battle in Bakhmut is, from what I gather, not strategically important, but from a morale standpoint, it's a must-win for Russia.
wrote on 13 Mar 2023, 16:11 last edited byRegardless, Putin still has widespread domestic support in his war effort. He has been successful in conflating this war with the war against Hitler in WWII. From what I can tell, problems in the field are seen as the politicians and military leadership lacking in Stalinist resolve to annihilate the enemy.
There needs to be a lot more losses and body bags brought for that attitude to change.
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wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 00:06 last edited by
The most horrible thing you'll read today.
Ukraine has accused two Russian soldiers of sexually assaulting a four-year-old girl and gang raping her mother at gunpoint in front of her father, as part of widespread allegations of abuse during the more than one-year-long invasion.
According to Ukrainian prosecution files seen by Reuters, the incidents were among a spree of sex crimes Russian soldiers of the 15th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade committed in four homes of Brovary district near the capital Kyiv in March 2022.
Russia's Defence Ministry did not respond to a request for comment. Phone numbers listed for the brigade were out of order. Two officials at the Samara Garrison, of which the brigade is a part, said they were unable to give contacts for the unit when contacted by Reuters, with one saying they were classified.
Most of the alleged atrocities took place on March 13, when soldiers "in a state of alcoholic intoxication, broke into the yard of the house where a young family lived," the prosecutors alleged.
The father was beaten with a metal pot then forced to kneel while his wife was gang raped. One of the soldiers told the four-year-old girl he "will make her a woman" before she was abused, the documents said.
The family survived, though prosecutors said they are investigating additional crimes in the area including murders during the same period.
President Vladimir Putin's government, which says it is fighting Western-backed "neo-Nazis" in Ukraine, has repeatedly denied allegations of atrocities. It has also denied that its military commanders are aware of sexual violence by soldiers.
The soldiers were both snipers, aged 32 and 28, the files said, adding that the former had died while the younger, named as Yevgeniy Chernoknizhniy, returned to Russia.
When Reuters asked for the identities of both soldiers, prosecutors provided only the name of the younger man. When Reuters called a number in online databases for him, a person saying he was Chernoknizhniy’s brother said he was deceased.
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wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 00:12 last edited by
Add another to the list of those I’d love to see hanged.
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wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 00:19 last edited by
A loathsome encore of the Red Army’s performance and march to Berlin in 44 and 45.
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wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 10:50 last edited by
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wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 14:01 last edited by Renauda
Indeed, Putin and his machine love to play the victim in this war. Here is a presentation on the subject that was published today:
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wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 21:47 last edited by
Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.
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Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.
wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 21:54 last edited by@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.
I can't possibly see how this doesn't happen.
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wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 21:55 last edited by
If you want peace
prepare for war
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Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.
wrote on 15 Mar 2023, 22:28 last edited byPutin is far more rational and calculating than many of his opponents give him credit for. He has a nose for weakness, including for his own fragility, but it is not infallible. He is fond of the good life. As Garry Kasparov pointed out, ‘Putin wants to rule like Stalin but live like Abramovich’.
Nails it.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 12:27 last edited by
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wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 13:07 last edited by
The French Foreign Legion used to be famous for their comfort girls. Maybe Wagner will adopt a similar policy...
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The French Foreign Legion used to be famous for their comfort girls. Maybe Wagner will adopt a similar policy...
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wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 15:27 last edited by Mik
A more detailed piece on the Russian claim that the west is to blame. A grain of salt, as it is written by Russian state media. An interesting view.
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A more detailed piece on the Russian claim that the west is to blame. A grain of salt, as it is written by Russian state media. An interesting view.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 16:17 last edited by Renauda
Poland to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Hopefully this will encourage other former WP members to release their Soviet era inventories to Ukraine. Better late than never.
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Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have more holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.
wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 16:38 last edited by@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.
Yeah, blaming colonialism is SO 20th century.
