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  • M Mik
    22 Feb 2023, 22:25

    Only had time to listen to half of it. He was talking about that when I had to leave. He made great points about it being a war of attrition and that we are not ramping up production. A mistake in my book.

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    Renauda
    wrote on 22 Feb 2023, 22:37 last edited by Renauda
    #1428

    @Mik

    I agree, Kotkin makes a lot of sense regarding it being a war of attrition and just what that means to all parties. You’ll see how he ties everything together later on when he adds China into the mix of his analysis.

    Elbows up!

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      Mik
      wrote on 22 Feb 2023, 22:44 last edited by
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      Massively ramping up production would be a much bigger message than a trip to Kiev. I’m not dissing the trip, I just think that action would have spoken louder.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Renauda
        wrote on 22 Feb 2023, 22:54 last edited by Renauda
        #1430

        I wager that all NATO members will soon have no choice other than to ramp up their military production and allocate fiscal resources into defence and security.

        Will be a hard pill for the federal and even provincial governments in this country to have to swallow.

        Elbows up!

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          Jolly
          wrote on 23 Feb 2023, 00:34 last edited by
          #1431

          Guns or butter.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • R Renauda
            22 Feb 2023, 22:54

            I wager that all NATO members will soon have no choice other than to ramp up their military production and allocate fiscal resources into defence and security.

            Will be a hard pill for the federal and even provincial governments in this country to have to swallow.

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            Mik
            wrote on 23 Feb 2023, 00:43 last edited by
            #1432

            @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

            I wager that all NATO members will soon have no choice other than to ramp up their military production and allocate fiscal resources into defence and security.

            Will be a hard pill for the federal and even provincial governments in this country to have to swallow.

            God, I hope they will.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • J Jolly
              23 Feb 2023, 00:34

              Guns or butter.

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              Renauda
              wrote on 23 Feb 2023, 00:45 last edited by Renauda
              #1433

              @Jolly

              Constitutionally in this country guns are a federal responsibility and butter is a provincial responsibility. I see no problem provided both are willing to cut duplication and waste.

              I wish it were as simple in practice as the constitution defines it.

              Elbows up!

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                George K
                wrote on 23 Feb 2023, 13:17 last edited by
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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on 24 Feb 2023, 23:00 last edited by
                  #1435

                  https://globalnews.ca/news/9505763/ukrainian-flag-paint-road-russian-embassy-london/amp/

                  Elbows up!

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                    Wim
                    wrote on 26 Feb 2023, 21:39 last edited by
                    #1436

                    Lukashenko in trouble?

                    https://wyborcza.pl/7,75399,29505280,czy-bialoruscy-partyzanci-zniszczyli-rosjanom-samolot-wczesnego.html#S.MT-K.C-B.1-L.1.duzy

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                      George K
                      wrote on 27 Feb 2023, 13:12 last edited by
                      #1437

                      The story:

                      https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/claims-swirl-around-supposed-strike-on-russian-a-50-radar-jet-in-belarus

                      There has been quite the buzz this Sunday on social media about a supposed attack on a Russian A-50 Mainstay airborne early warning and control aircraft that is forward deployed to Machulishchy Air Base south of Minsk, in Belarus. We cannot confirm that this attack actually happened or the nature of the damage, if any, to the A-50 — the type has been a staple at the base throughout the war. But if it did occur, it would be a significant loss for the Russian Air Force and, depending on how it was carried out, it could be a sign of a developing front and what's to come in the now year-old war.
                      The image seen at the top of this article was taken on February 19th. It shows the A-50 in its usual spot at the Belarusian air base. Various claims state that the aircraft, a variant of the Il-76 quad-jet cargo transport, was attacked via drone and damaged if not destroyed. There are also claims that this was done by a partisan group inside Belarus, which would be a significant development if true.

                      The target here is very important, regardless. The A-50s are very low-density, high-demand assets and are one of Russia's major advantages over Ukraine in terms of the air war. The A-50 provides general wide-area aerial surveillance and airborne command and control capabilities. Beyond this, and arguably most importantly, they provide the critical 'look-down' radar surveillance capability for Russia's air operations. As such, not only can they generate an 'air picture' deep into Ukraine, but this also includes detecting low-flying aircraft which far-off ground-based radars cannot see. This is the currently primary operating regime for Ukrainian aircraft anywhere near Russia's 'overlay' of complex anti-air capabilities that extends deep into Ukrainian-controlled territory.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 27 Feb 2023, 13:21 last edited by
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                        A summary of Russian (and Ukrainian) losses over the last year.

                        Screenshot 2023-02-27 at 7.17.40 AM.png

                        Screenshot 2023-02-27 at 7.18.38 AM.png

                        This one is of visually-confirmed losses.

                        Screenshot 2023-02-27 at 7.19.06 AM.png

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • G George K
                          27 Feb 2023, 13:12

                          The story:

                          https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/claims-swirl-around-supposed-strike-on-russian-a-50-radar-jet-in-belarus

                          There has been quite the buzz this Sunday on social media about a supposed attack on a Russian A-50 Mainstay airborne early warning and control aircraft that is forward deployed to Machulishchy Air Base south of Minsk, in Belarus. We cannot confirm that this attack actually happened or the nature of the damage, if any, to the A-50 — the type has been a staple at the base throughout the war. But if it did occur, it would be a significant loss for the Russian Air Force and, depending on how it was carried out, it could be a sign of a developing front and what's to come in the now year-old war.
                          The image seen at the top of this article was taken on February 19th. It shows the A-50 in its usual spot at the Belarusian air base. Various claims state that the aircraft, a variant of the Il-76 quad-jet cargo transport, was attacked via drone and damaged if not destroyed. There are also claims that this was done by a partisan group inside Belarus, which would be a significant development if true.

                          The target here is very important, regardless. The A-50s are very low-density, high-demand assets and are one of Russia's major advantages over Ukraine in terms of the air war. The A-50 provides general wide-area aerial surveillance and airborne command and control capabilities. Beyond this, and arguably most importantly, they provide the critical 'look-down' radar surveillance capability for Russia's air operations. As such, not only can they generate an 'air picture' deep into Ukraine, but this also includes detecting low-flying aircraft which far-off ground-based radars cannot see. This is the currently primary operating regime for Ukrainian aircraft anywhere near Russia's 'overlay' of complex anti-air capabilities that extends deep into Ukrainian-controlled territory.

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on 27 Feb 2023, 14:55 last edited by
                          #1439

                          @George-K

                          Belorussian opposition claim responsibility for drone attack on Russian aircraft:

                          https://www.rferl.org/amp/belarus-russia-plane-attacked-guerrillas-surveillance-/32290065.html

                          Elbows up!

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 27 Feb 2023, 15:25 last edited by
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                            Good idea. Plausible deniability for Ukraine.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • M Mik
                              27 Feb 2023, 15:25

                              Good idea. Plausible deniability for Ukraine.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 27 Feb 2023, 19:51 last edited by Renauda
                              #1441

                              @Mik

                              Not sure if plausible deniability matters in this case, or even exists in that part of world. The Russians seem to have gotten implausible deniability down to a matter of routine statecraft.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • R Renauda
                                27 Feb 2023, 19:51

                                @Mik

                                Not sure if plausible deniability matters in this case, or even exists in that part of world. The Russians seem to have gotten implausible deniability down to a matter of routine statecraft.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 27 Feb 2023, 19:56 last edited by
                                #1442

                                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                The Russians seem to have gotten implausible deniability down to a matter of routine statecraft.

                                alt text

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on 28 Feb 2023, 03:19 last edited by
                                  #1443

                                  This got hardly any coverage last week. Good for the Latvians! Not often a diplomat tells the Russians to go fuck themselves:

                                  https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/osce-pa-latvian-delegate-reminded-russia-about-its-warship-as-its-destination/

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 28 Feb 2023, 10:55 last edited by
                                    #1444

                                    Nice.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      Wim
                                      wrote on 28 Feb 2023, 12:39 last edited by
                                      #1445

                                      Haha

                                      https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/putins-naked-general-blamed-humiliating-29329547

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                                      • W Wim
                                        28 Feb 2023, 12:39

                                        Haha

                                        https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/putins-naked-general-blamed-humiliating-29329547

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 28 Feb 2023, 12:45 last edited by
                                        #1446

                                        @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        Haha

                                        https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/putins-naked-general-blamed-humiliating-29329547

                                        Now there's a bunch of words I never thought I'd see together in one story:

                                        Russian
                                        Naked
                                        General

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on 1 Mar 2023, 22:53 last edited by Renauda 3 Jan 2023, 22:54
                                          #1447

                                          For nearly a year now, Ukraine and the West have been waiting for an open rebellion from an abstract notion of the Russian people against their government. Yet there have been no major protests in Russia, never mind anything approaching a mass uprising, nor is there any sign of one on the horizon, despite a great many examples of individual resistance, as evidenced by the number of prosecutions for anti-war statements and activity. On the contrary, support for the country’s leadership is if anything becoming more aggressive, while people’s indifference and ability to adapt are increasingly striking.

                                          Searching for the reasons for this passive acceptance of a vicious war against a neighboring country brings to mind an old Soviet joke in which the Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev boasts to his U.S. counterpart that the Soviet people will put up with anything, and will never rebel against Communism. To make his point, he announces several unpopular measures to an accepting crowd, culminating in the announcement that they will all be hanged the next day. Finally, there is a reaction from the crowd, when a timid voice asks: “Should we bring the rope ourselves, or will the trade union provide it?”

                                          https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/88938

                                          Elbows up!

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