The Ukraine war thread
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wrote on 13 Feb 2023, 15:09 last edited by Renauda
Let’s find out.
Edit: I guess I ought to have included the link:
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wrote on 14 Feb 2023, 14:38 last edited by
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wrote on 15 Feb 2023, 23:24 last edited by
Weapons are one thing. Ukraine needs to be very stingy with its troops. Russia has a far greater supply, although I doubt they can equip them properly for long.
The west needs to keep it up as long as it takes.
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wrote on 15 Feb 2023, 23:48 last edited by Renauda
From what I have been reading and hearing out there as of late is the Russians are moving large numbers of strike aircraft and ground support helicopters closer to the Ukrainian border. I think we can expect to see the Russians attempting much more integrated offensive in the coming days or weeks.
Regardless, I have my doubts whether the Russian command structure can accommodate an integrated and combined forces strike without turning into a train wreck.
One thing for certain, it will get right nasty again.
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wrote on 16 Feb 2023, 00:45 last edited by
Operational competence does seem hard to believe, given recent performance.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2023, 19:17 last edited by
Another one bites the dust. Dropping like flies.
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Another one bites the dust. Dropping like flies.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2023, 21:10 last edited by
I was trying to remember what that thread was. Figured he had, but a little redundancy never hurt anyone.
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wrote on 18 Feb 2023, 19:14 last edited by
Putin’s version of residential schools for Ukrainian children:
https://www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-russia-children-reeducation/32272143.html
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wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 00:07 last edited by
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wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 01:11 last edited by
Apparently SecState Blinken's comments about the possibility of China supplying lethal aid to Russia in the Ukraine war led to some displeasure on the part of the Chinese.
"It would be a 'red line' he said."
Devil's advocate here, how is China supplying lethal aid to Russia fundamentally different from what the US and other NATO nations are doing?
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Apparently SecState Blinken's comments about the possibility of China supplying lethal aid to Russia in the Ukraine war led to some displeasure on the part of the Chinese.
"It would be a 'red line' he said."
Devil's advocate here, how is China supplying lethal aid to Russia fundamentally different from what the US and other NATO nations are doing?
wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 01:28 last edited by RenaudaGood question. For us in the decadent West, Russia is the aggressor and must be stopped in Ukraine.
China, on the other hand, while fully supporting Ukrainian sovereignty, its right to self determination and the inviolability of its borders, cannot help but see that its own Marxist-Leninist ideology demands that it support Russia, the true victim of US imperialist ambitions and birthplace of the first proletarian state.
That and the fact that it’s a great opportunity to sell arms and munitions and further mortgage Russia under its benign, peace loving proletarian and progressive embrace.
Hope that helps.
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Good question. For us in the decadent West, Russia is the aggressor and must be stopped in Ukraine.
China, on the other hand, while fully supporting Ukrainian sovereignty, its right to self determination and the inviolability of its borders, cannot help but see that its own Marxist-Leninist ideology demands that it support Russia, the true victim of US imperialist ambitions and birthplace of the first proletarian state.
That and the fact that it’s a great opportunity to sell arms and munitions and further mortgage Russia under its benign, peace loving proletarian and progressive embrace.
Hope that helps.
wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 01:30 last edited by@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
great opportunity to sell arms and munitions and further mortgage Russia
I think someone (was it you, Renauda?) who commented that the Chinese look at this as a way of asserting dominance over Russia - not only politically, but also financially.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
great opportunity to sell arms and munitions and further mortgage Russia
I think someone (was it you, Renauda?) who commented that the Chinese look at this as a way of asserting dominance over Russia - not only politically, but also financially.
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wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 01:34 last edited by
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
The politics of this are, for lack of a better word, fascinating. The politics go far, far beyond the simple act of one country invading another. So many players, so many implications.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
The politics of this are, for lack of a better word, fascinating. The politics go far, far beyond the simple act of one country invading another. So many players, so many implications.
wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 01:37 last edited by@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
The politics of this are, for lack of a better word, fascinating. The politics go far, far beyond the simple act of one country invading another. So many players, so many implications.
Indeed. A good reason to take the analyses of TV and podcast talking heads worth a grain of salt.
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wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 02:54 last edited by
The implications are far ranging. There has never, to my knowledge, been a war that was so nearly universally condemned globally and the victim so thoroughly supported economically and militarily. It’s a blueprint for increased stability IF Ukraine is victorious, and a sure harbinger of further bloodshed if not.
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The implications are far ranging. There has never, to my knowledge, been a war that was so nearly universally condemned globally and the victim so thoroughly supported economically and militarily. It’s a blueprint for increased stability IF Ukraine is victorious, and a sure harbinger of further bloodshed if not.
wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 05:22 last edited by RenaudaI think you will find that the between 1941 to 1945 US Lend-Lease aid transfers to the USSR in war materiel, industrial equipment, technology transfer and intellectual property would amount to over $1 trillion in today’s currency. Moreover, I do not think that number includes the humanitarian aid such as food, clothing and medical supplies that were also sent to Moscow. In the end everything was given with no strings attached unlike the repayable loans under Lend Lease made to Britain. The USSR’s debts under Lend Lease were written off in 1951. Britain on the hand, paid its wartime debts in full, with interest, until 2006.
If you get the inclination, I recommend you have a look at Sean McKeen’s Stalin’s War that came out in 2021. A real eye opener on how Lend Lease was really allocated and the extent to which Stalin was every bit an aggressive initiator of the war in Europe as was Hitler.
Today Ukraine is receiving nothing near what Stalin received at the expense of other fighting allies like Britain and nationalist China during WWII.
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I think you will find that the between 1941 to 1945 US Lend-Lease aid transfers to the USSR in war materiel, industrial equipment, technology transfer and intellectual property would amount to over $1 trillion in today’s currency. Moreover, I do not think that number includes the humanitarian aid such as food, clothing and medical supplies that were also sent to Moscow. In the end everything was given with no strings attached unlike the repayable loans under Lend Lease made to Britain. The USSR’s debts under Lend Lease were written off in 1951. Britain on the hand, paid its wartime debts in full, with interest, until 2006.
If you get the inclination, I recommend you have a look at Sean McKeen’s Stalin’s War that came out in 2021. A real eye opener on how Lend Lease was really allocated and the extent to which Stalin was every bit an aggressive initiator of the war in Europe as was Hitler.
Today Ukraine is receiving nothing near what Stalin received at the expense of other fighting allies like Britain and nationalist China during WWII.
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wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 11:37 last edited byWow, Biden is there