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    Renauda
    wrote on 13 Feb 2023, 14:59 last edited by
    #1383

    Good essay however it is contingent on whether Putin’s regime can survive the cost of it’s current war.

    Elbows up!

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    • R Renauda
      13 Feb 2023, 14:59

      Good essay however it is contingent on whether Putin’s regime can survive the cost of it’s current war.

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      George K
      wrote on 13 Feb 2023, 15:05 last edited by
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      @Renauda do Russians care about "cost" if victory is assured promised?

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • G George K
        13 Feb 2023, 15:05

        @Renauda do Russians care about "cost" if victory is assured promised?

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        Renauda
        wrote on 13 Feb 2023, 15:09 last edited by Renauda
        #1385

        @George-K

        Let’s find out.

        Edit: I guess I ought to have included the link:

        https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/opinion-researcher-lev-gudkov-russians-have-little-compassion-for-the-ukrainians-a-066c08c6-60f4-48e1-853a-d2b3d67bd6b8

        Elbows up!

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          Renauda
          wrote on 14 Feb 2023, 14:38 last edited by
          #1386

          So the story goes……

          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/02/13/how-russias-fsb-embraced-religion-in-the-face-of-a-baffling-war-a80211

          Elbows up!

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            George K
            wrote on 15 Feb 2023, 23:20 last edited by
            #1387

            If true...wow.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Mik
              wrote on 15 Feb 2023, 23:24 last edited by
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              Weapons are one thing. Ukraine needs to be very stingy with its troops. Russia has a far greater supply, although I doubt they can equip them properly for long.

              The west needs to keep it up as long as it takes.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Renauda
                wrote on 15 Feb 2023, 23:48 last edited by Renauda
                #1389

                From what I have been reading and hearing out there as of late is the Russians are moving large numbers of strike aircraft and ground support helicopters closer to the Ukrainian border. I think we can expect to see the Russians attempting much more integrated offensive in the coming days or weeks.

                Regardless, I have my doubts whether the Russian command structure can accommodate an integrated and combined forces strike without turning into a train wreck.

                One thing for certain, it will get right nasty again.

                Elbows up!

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 16 Feb 2023, 00:45 last edited by
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                  Operational competence does seem hard to believe, given recent performance.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 17 Feb 2023, 19:17 last edited by
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                    Another one bites the dust. Dropping like flies.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-top-defence-official-dies-after-160ft-balcony-fall-in-latest-mystery-death/ar-AA17zPS7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=20f2ed0051b34f5ca2dccfc96206e34d

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • M Mik
                      17 Feb 2023, 19:17

                      Another one bites the dust. Dropping like flies.

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-top-defence-official-dies-after-160ft-balcony-fall-in-latest-mystery-death/ar-AA17zPS7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=20f2ed0051b34f5ca2dccfc96206e34d

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on 17 Feb 2023, 19:43 last edited by
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                      @Mik

                      George already got that one in his Life Insurance thread. Check it out.

                      Elbows up!

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                        Mik
                        wrote on 17 Feb 2023, 21:10 last edited by
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                        I was trying to remember what that thread was. Figured he had, but a little redundancy never hurt anyone.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on 18 Feb 2023, 19:14 last edited by
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                          Putin’s version of residential schools for Ukrainian children:

                          https://www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-russia-children-reeducation/32272143.html

                          Elbows up!

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                            George K
                            wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 00:07 last edited by
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                            Michael Korfman on the Russian winter offensive. Long thread.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 01:11 last edited by
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                              Apparently SecState Blinken's comments about the possibility of China supplying lethal aid to Russia in the Ukraine war led to some displeasure on the part of the Chinese.

                              "It would be a 'red line' he said."

                              Devil's advocate here, how is China supplying lethal aid to Russia fundamentally different from what the US and other NATO nations are doing?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • G George K
                                20 Feb 2023, 01:11

                                Apparently SecState Blinken's comments about the possibility of China supplying lethal aid to Russia in the Ukraine war led to some displeasure on the part of the Chinese.

                                "It would be a 'red line' he said."

                                Devil's advocate here, how is China supplying lethal aid to Russia fundamentally different from what the US and other NATO nations are doing?

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 01:28 last edited by Renauda
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                                @George-K

                                Good question. For us in the decadent West, Russia is the aggressor and must be stopped in Ukraine.

                                China, on the other hand, while fully supporting Ukrainian sovereignty, its right to self determination and the inviolability of its borders, cannot help but see that its own Marxist-Leninist ideology demands that it support Russia, the true victim of US imperialist ambitions and birthplace of the first proletarian state.

                                That and the fact that it’s a great opportunity to sell arms and munitions and further mortgage Russia under its benign, peace loving proletarian and progressive embrace.

                                Hope that helps.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • R Renauda
                                  20 Feb 2023, 01:28

                                  @George-K

                                  Good question. For us in the decadent West, Russia is the aggressor and must be stopped in Ukraine.

                                  China, on the other hand, while fully supporting Ukrainian sovereignty, its right to self determination and the inviolability of its borders, cannot help but see that its own Marxist-Leninist ideology demands that it support Russia, the true victim of US imperialist ambitions and birthplace of the first proletarian state.

                                  That and the fact that it’s a great opportunity to sell arms and munitions and further mortgage Russia under its benign, peace loving proletarian and progressive embrace.

                                  Hope that helps.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 01:30 last edited by
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                                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  great opportunity to sell arms and munitions and further mortgage Russia

                                  I think someone (was it you, Renauda?) who commented that the Chinese look at this as a way of asserting dominance over Russia - not only politically, but also financially.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • G George K
                                    20 Feb 2023, 01:30

                                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    great opportunity to sell arms and munitions and further mortgage Russia

                                    I think someone (was it you, Renauda?) who commented that the Chinese look at this as a way of asserting dominance over Russia - not only politically, but also financially.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 01:33 last edited by
                                    #1399

                                    @George-K

                                    Yes it was me. Xi already owns Putin.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 01:34 last edited by
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                                      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      The politics of this are, for lack of a better word, fascinating. The politics go far, far beyond the simple act of one country invading another. So many players, so many implications.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • G George K
                                        20 Feb 2023, 01:34

                                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        The politics of this are, for lack of a better word, fascinating. The politics go far, far beyond the simple act of one country invading another. So many players, so many implications.

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 01:37 last edited by
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                                        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        The politics of this are, for lack of a better word, fascinating. The politics go far, far beyond the simple act of one country invading another. So many players, so many implications.

                                        Indeed. A good reason to take the analyses of TV and podcast talking heads worth a grain of salt.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 20 Feb 2023, 02:54 last edited by
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                                          The implications are far ranging. There has never, to my knowledge, been a war that was so nearly universally condemned globally and the victim so thoroughly supported economically and militarily. It’s a blueprint for increased stability IF Ukraine is victorious, and a sure harbinger of further bloodshed if not.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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