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  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

    Tonight's update.

    Screen Shot 2022-03-20 at 6.42.29 PM.png

    10%-20% of their total equipment loss in one day? Ouch.

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    LuFins Dad
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    #107

    @LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:

    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

    Tonight's update.

    Screen Shot 2022-03-20 at 6.42.29 PM.png

    10%-20% of their total equipment loss in one day? Ouch.

    Wait, that’s since 03/16. My bad.

    The Brad

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    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

      @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

      Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?

      How it works is, if you make a claim, you have to back it up. I gave you today's news as proof no one was advocating for World War III. You countered with the They Live defense, and without any evidence.

      And I'd be willing to bet that this conversation could go on for days and you'll still never quote an article and claim it's evidence that they're advocating for WWIII.

      Until you do, I'm done pretending this is an actual discussion.

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      wrote on last edited by
      #108

      @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

      @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

      Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?

      How it works is, if you make a claim, you have to back it up. I gave you today's news as proof no one was advocating for World War III. You countered with the They Live defense, and without any evidence.

      And I'd be willing to bet that this conversation could go on for days and you'll still never quote an article and claim it's evidence that they're advocating for WWIII.

      Until you do, I'm done pretending this is an actual discussion.

      You can pretend what you wish. Very hard to quote articles for original thought.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by
        #109

        Of course, how many of you guppies bought the Russia Hoax or Biden's crap about all the spooks saying Hunter's laptop was Russian misinformation?

        Think deeper

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          Of course, how many of you guppies bought the Russia Hoax or Biden's crap about all the spooks saying Hunter's laptop was Russian misinformation?

          Think deeper

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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by Renauda
          #110

          @Jolly

          Are you suggesting that this war was orchestrated by the Bidens and others in the DNC to have the Ukrainians fight the Russians as US proxies?

          If you do, I suggest it is you who ought to dig a little deeper in the information that is out there. This is entirely Putin’s war and he has been preparing for it on and off ever since Viktor Yushchenko’s presidential win in Ukraine’s Orange Revolution and election in December 2004 and January 2005.

          May I recommend a concise and highly readable start in your research:

          https://www.amazon.ca/Who-Lost-Russia-World-Entered/dp/1786070413

          Elbows up!

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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by Horace
            #111

            It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

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              Doctor Phibes
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              #112

              @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

              It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

              Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

              As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

              People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.

              I was only joking

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.

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                #113

                @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                  Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                  As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                  People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.

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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  #114

                  @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                  Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                  As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                  People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.

                  My sources tell me otherwise.

                  Be seeing you.

                  I was only joking

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                    Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                    As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                    People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.

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                    Horace
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #115

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.

                    The education I provide here is not for my contemporaries. The internet is forever, and I think my teachings will take hold in 50 or 60 generations, when our cultural ideas are sufficiently sophisticated to accept them.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                      Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                      As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                      People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.

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                      Aqua Letifer
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #116

                      @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                      Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                      As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                      People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.

                      How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                        @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                        Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                        As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                        People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.

                        How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.

                        HoraceH Offline
                        HoraceH Offline
                        Horace
                        wrote on last edited by Horace
                        #117

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                        Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                        As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                        People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.

                        How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.

                        Maybe the whole world shares in this feeling that there’s a sharp line between boots on the ground and economic support for other boots on the ground, but considering the fact that that feeling is completely irrational, I wouldn’t count on it being held by everybody forever.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                          Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                          As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                          People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.

                          How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.

                          Maybe the whole world shares in this feeling that there’s a sharp line between boots on the ground and economic support for other boots on the ground, but considering the fact that that feeling is completely irrational, I wouldn’t count on it being held by everybody forever.

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                          Aqua Letifer
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #118

                          @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                          Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                          As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                          People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.

                          How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.

                          Maybe the whole world shares in this feeling that there’s a sharp line between boots on the ground and economic support for other boots on the ground, but considering the fact that that feeling is completely irrational, I wouldn’t count on it being held by everybody forever.

                          Who doesn't understand that it's ideal to strike a balance between supporting Ukraine and a nuclear winter?

                          Please love yourself.

                          HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                            @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                            Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                            As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                            People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.

                            How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.

                            Maybe the whole world shares in this feeling that there’s a sharp line between boots on the ground and economic support for other boots on the ground, but considering the fact that that feeling is completely irrational, I wouldn’t count on it being held by everybody forever.

                            Who doesn't understand that it's ideal to strike a balance between supporting Ukraine and a nuclear winter?

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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #119

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                            Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                            As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                            People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.

                            How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.

                            Maybe the whole world shares in this feeling that there’s a sharp line between boots on the ground and economic support for other boots on the ground, but considering the fact that that feeling is completely irrational, I wouldn’t count on it being held by everybody forever.

                            Who doesn't understand that it's ideal to strike a balance between supporting Ukraine and a nuclear winter?

                            The issue is a sharp dividing line between one sort of non nuclear support and another. A line that can be questioned and discussed without getting performatively shocked faced about it.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                              Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                              As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                              People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #120

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                              Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                              As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                              People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.

                              Jolly made it quite clear. It's Wag the Dog by proxy and in reverse. The media didn't create the war, but the amount of coverage and the type of coverage can do a couple of things:

                              A. By selecting stories, the media can push narratives and create sentiment. A constant stream of human tragedy stories pushes the emotional buttons of good people and compels them to do something. Ever watch those 60 second ASPCA commercials of the emaciated dog starving in the snow, shivering from the bitter cold? They're effective. Imagine a barrage of like stories involving humans in a war zone. Air enough of them and you effect policy.

                              B. With the war coverage, it leaves a lot less time on MSM coverage for other stories. The MSM will then pick and choose what stories it covers. A Presidential candidate lying in a Presidential debate, touting 50 expert opinions as concluding the Hunter Laptop was "disinformation" and a Russian plot and then the MSM's refusal to carry that story is huge. ..That means the MSM directly influenced a Presidential election, not through a sin of ommission, but a sin of commission.

                              It also means by not covering the story now, the MSM is protecting their investment in a senile President who us doing whatever his handlers and party machine tell him to do. They are doubling down.

                              Now, can you understand that or am I typing too fast for you?

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                                Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                                As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                                People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.

                                Jolly made it quite clear. It's Wag the Dog by proxy and in reverse. The media didn't create the war, but the amount of coverage and the type of coverage can do a couple of things:

                                A. By selecting stories, the media can push narratives and create sentiment. A constant stream of human tragedy stories pushes the emotional buttons of good people and compels them to do something. Ever watch those 60 second ASPCA commercials of the emaciated dog starving in the snow, shivering from the bitter cold? They're effective. Imagine a barrage of like stories involving humans in a war zone. Air enough of them and you effect policy.

                                B. With the war coverage, it leaves a lot less time on MSM coverage for other stories. The MSM will then pick and choose what stories it covers. A Presidential candidate lying in a Presidential debate, touting 50 expert opinions as concluding the Hunter Laptop was "disinformation" and a Russian plot and then the MSM's refusal to carry that story is huge. ..That means the MSM directly influenced a Presidential election, not through a sin of ommission, but a sin of commission.

                                It also means by not covering the story now, the MSM is protecting their investment in a senile President who us doing whatever his handlers and party machine tell him to do. They are doubling down.

                                Now, can you understand that or am I typing too fast for you?

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                #121

                                @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                                Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                                As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                                People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.

                                Jolly made it quite clear. It's Wag the Dog by proxy and in reverse. The media didn't create the war, but the amount of coverage and the type of coverage can do a couple of things:

                                A. By selecting stories, the media can push narratives and create sentiment. A constant stream of human tragedy stories pushes the emotional buttons of good people and compels them to do something. Ever watch those 60 second ASPCA commercials of the emaciated dog starving in the snow, shivering from the bitter cold? They're effective. Imagine a barrage of like stories involving humans in a war zone. Air enough of them and you effect policy.

                                B. With the war coverage, it leaves a lot less time on MSM coverage for other stories. The MSM will then pick and choose what stories it covers. A Presidential candidate lying in a Presidential debate, touting 50 expert opinions as concluding the Hunter Laptop was "disinformation" and a Russian plot and then the MSM's refusal to carry that story is huge. ..That means the MSM directly influenced a Presidential election, not through a sin of ommission, but a sin of commission.

                                It also means by not covering the story now, the MSM is protecting their investment in a senile President who us doing whatever his handlers and party machine tell him to do. They are doubling down.

                                Now, can you understand that or am I typing too fast for you?

                                To be honest, I get most of my news from the BBC rather than American sources. There is a great deal of coverage of Ukraine, there. Probably less about American domestic politics than you'd like. I rather doubt the Beeb don't cover all that stuff because they love Joe Biden.

                                Typically, you won't see people in Europe saying "Why should I care what happens in Ukraine?" as some Americans have apparently said.

                                I was only joking

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                                  @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.

                                  Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.

                                  As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.

                                  People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.

                                  Jolly made it quite clear. It's Wag the Dog by proxy and in reverse. The media didn't create the war, but the amount of coverage and the type of coverage can do a couple of things:

                                  A. By selecting stories, the media can push narratives and create sentiment. A constant stream of human tragedy stories pushes the emotional buttons of good people and compels them to do something. Ever watch those 60 second ASPCA commercials of the emaciated dog starving in the snow, shivering from the bitter cold? They're effective. Imagine a barrage of like stories involving humans in a war zone. Air enough of them and you effect policy.

                                  B. With the war coverage, it leaves a lot less time on MSM coverage for other stories. The MSM will then pick and choose what stories it covers. A Presidential candidate lying in a Presidential debate, touting 50 expert opinions as concluding the Hunter Laptop was "disinformation" and a Russian plot and then the MSM's refusal to carry that story is huge. ..That means the MSM directly influenced a Presidential election, not through a sin of ommission, but a sin of commission.

                                  It also means by not covering the story now, the MSM is protecting their investment in a senile President who us doing whatever his handlers and party machine tell him to do. They are doubling down.

                                  Now, can you understand that or am I typing too fast for you?

                                  To be honest, I get most of my news from the BBC rather than American sources. There is a great deal of coverage of Ukraine, there. Probably less about American domestic politics than you'd like. I rather doubt the Beeb don't cover all that stuff because they love Joe Biden.

                                  Typically, you won't see people in Europe saying "Why should I care what happens in Ukraine?" as some Americans have apparently said.

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                                  @Doctor-Phibes

                                  Unless someone sends me a specific link I avoid US media sources. Like you, I too follow the BBC reports as well several European sources in English. Our own CBC is not too bad although it is more or less BBC lite. For print media the National Post and Globe and Mail from time to time also provide some fairly decent analysis depending on the topic.

                                  There are however some excellent US sources but they are not part of the slick media outlets. Rather they are found with various think tanks and specialised research institutes and schools that operate out of the country’s universities.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    I try to follow on Twitter people physically in Ukraine who are eyeballing the situation although there are not so many English speaking and most extremely anti Russian and therefore sometimes suspect in objectivity.

                                    But for the usual news…all MSM. (an acronym I hate because it’s the one used by people at each end of the political spectrum when they don’t hear what they want to hear)

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                                      Guess what?

                                      That tweet has been deleted.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        You KIA 10K and that's a big deal. A really big deal.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          Especially when it all happened in the course of three weeks in a special military operation that was not meeting any resistance other than fraternal greetings and offerings of bread and salt to the troops.

                                          MIL told spouse yesterday in their zoom call that the bodies are beginning to arrive home in the city for burial. Also no sugar or bleached office paper in to be had anywhere.

                                          Elbows up!

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