The Ukraine war thread
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
From what I've seen, the 'bigger picture' is certain people trying to make this about the US media and the USA political landscape in general.
Well I say, this is the first I've ever heard of an American falling victim to that!
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
From what I've seen, the 'bigger picture' is certain people trying to make this about the US media and the USA political landscape in general.
Well I say, this is the first I've ever heard of an American falling victim to that!
And I thought thought it was all about pop culture and Putin’s repressed
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@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
Tonight's update.
10%-20% of their total equipment loss in one day? Ouch.
Me/rry/Christmas
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:
@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
Tonight's update.
10%-20% of their total equipment loss in one day? Ouch.
Wait, that’s since 03/16. My bad.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
How it works is, if you make a claim, you have to back it up. I gave you today's news as proof no one was advocating for World War III. You countered with the They Live defense, and without any evidence.
And I'd be willing to bet that this conversation could go on for days and you'll still never quote an article and claim it's evidence that they're advocating for WWIII.
Until you do, I'm done pretending this is an actual discussion.
You can pretend what you wish. Very hard to quote articles for original thought.
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Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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Are you suggesting that this war was orchestrated by the Bidens and others in the DNC to have the Ukrainians fight the Russians as US proxies?
If you do, I suggest it is you who ought to dig a little deeper in the information that is out there. This is entirely Putin’s war and he has been preparing for it on and off ever since Viktor Yushchenko’s presidential win in Ukraine’s Orange Revolution and election in December 2004 and January 2005.
May I recommend a concise and highly readable start in your research:
https://www.amazon.ca/Who-Lost-Russia-World-Entered/dp/1786070413
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It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
My sources tell me otherwise.
Be seeing you.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.
The education I provide here is not for my contemporaries. The internet is forever, and I think my teachings will take hold in 50 or 60 generations, when our cultural ideas are sufficiently sophisticated to accept them.
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.
Please love yourself.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.
Maybe the whole world shares in this feeling that there’s a sharp line between boots on the ground and economic support for other boots on the ground, but considering the fact that that feeling is completely irrational, I wouldn’t count on it being held by everybody forever.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.
Maybe the whole world shares in this feeling that there’s a sharp line between boots on the ground and economic support for other boots on the ground, but considering the fact that that feeling is completely irrational, I wouldn’t count on it being held by everybody forever.
Who doesn't understand that it's ideal to strike a balance between supporting Ukraine and a nuclear winter?
Please love yourself.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.
Maybe the whole world shares in this feeling that there’s a sharp line between boots on the ground and economic support for other boots on the ground, but considering the fact that that feeling is completely irrational, I wouldn’t count on it being held by everybody forever.
Who doesn't understand that it's ideal to strike a balance between supporting Ukraine and a nuclear winter?
The issue is a sharp dividing line between one sort of non nuclear support and another. A line that can be questioned and discussed without getting performatively shocked faced about it.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.
Jolly made it quite clear. It's Wag the Dog by proxy and in reverse. The media didn't create the war, but the amount of coverage and the type of coverage can do a couple of things:
A. By selecting stories, the media can push narratives and create sentiment. A constant stream of human tragedy stories pushes the emotional buttons of good people and compels them to do something. Ever watch those 60 second ASPCA commercials of the emaciated dog starving in the snow, shivering from the bitter cold? They're effective. Imagine a barrage of like stories involving humans in a war zone. Air enough of them and you effect policy.
B. With the war coverage, it leaves a lot less time on MSM coverage for other stories. The MSM will then pick and choose what stories it covers. A Presidential candidate lying in a Presidential debate, touting 50 expert opinions as concluding the Hunter Laptop was "disinformation" and a Russian plot and then the MSM's refusal to carry that story is huge. ..That means the MSM directly influenced a Presidential election, not through a sin of ommission, but a sin of commission.
It also means by not covering the story now, the MSM is protecting their investment in a senile President who us doing whatever his handlers and party machine tell him to do. They are doubling down.
Now, can you understand that or am I typing too fast for you?
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
Warning: I post things that interest me. Read and comment at your own discretion. -
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.
Jolly made it quite clear. It's Wag the Dog by proxy and in reverse. The media didn't create the war, but the amount of coverage and the type of coverage can do a couple of things:
A. By selecting stories, the media can push narratives and create sentiment. A constant stream of human tragedy stories pushes the emotional buttons of good people and compels them to do something. Ever watch those 60 second ASPCA commercials of the emaciated dog starving in the snow, shivering from the bitter cold? They're effective. Imagine a barrage of like stories involving humans in a war zone. Air enough of them and you effect policy.
B. With the war coverage, it leaves a lot less time on MSM coverage for other stories. The MSM will then pick and choose what stories it covers. A Presidential candidate lying in a Presidential debate, touting 50 expert opinions as concluding the Hunter Laptop was "disinformation" and a Russian plot and then the MSM's refusal to carry that story is huge. ..That means the MSM directly influenced a Presidential election, not through a sin of ommission, but a sin of commission.
It also means by not covering the story now, the MSM is protecting their investment in a senile President who us doing whatever his handlers and party machine tell him to do. They are doubling down.
Now, can you understand that or am I typing too fast for you?
To be honest, I get most of my news from the BBC rather than American sources. There is a great deal of coverage of Ukraine, there. Probably less about American domestic politics than you'd like. I rather doubt the Beeb don't cover all that stuff because they love Joe Biden.
Typically, you won't see people in Europe saying "Why should I care what happens in Ukraine?" as some Americans have apparently said.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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Unless someone sends me a specific link I avoid US media sources. Like you, I too follow the BBC reports as well several European sources in English. Our own CBC is not too bad although it is more or less BBC lite. For print media the National Post and Globe and Mail from time to time also provide some fairly decent analysis depending on the topic.
There are however some excellent US sources but they are not part of the slick media outlets. Rather they are found with various think tanks and specialised research institutes and schools that operate out of the country’s universities.
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
