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Video: Can Ukraine actually WIN this?

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  • CopperC Offline
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    Copper
    wrote on last edited by
    #2

    How long before Ukrainian forces take Moscow?

    Either get it done before winter or wait for spring.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #3

      Also at that link is this:

      https://liveuamap.com

      The live map of what's going on, militarily and on a diplomatic level.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=50820

        Link to video

        Some takeaways:

        • We know what Russian plans were, based on captured documents and a pre-written “analysis” of Russia’s glorious victory someone found on file on a web server.
        • They expected to be at the gates of Kiev in three days and have everything conquered in two weeks.
        • Well, we’re almost two weeks in, and they haven’t achieved any of their major objectives. All major cities remain in Ukrainian hands.
        • One reason they didn’t: NATO alerted them to impending Russian action slightly before it began, so many commanders and units were already dispersed from bases.
        • They didn’t have enough trucks to begin with and have already lost 200 more.
        • Also, not only is the Ukrainian mud all but impossible, but their truck tires really suck. (More on this in a day or so.)
        • We need to pay more attention to the south, where Russian troops attacking from Crimea have done better (but still not great).
        • Time is not on Russia’s side, as sanctions are crashing their economy hard.
        Aqua LetiferA Offline
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        Aqua Letifer
        wrote on last edited by
        #4

        @George-K said in Video: Can Ukraine actually WIN this?:

        • Also, not only is the Ukrainian mud all but impossible, but their truck tires really suck. (More on this in a day or so.)

        That's ironic as all hell when taken into context of the 1940s.

        Please love yourself.

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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by
          #5

          Well, H. R. McMaster sounds optimistic about Ukraine:

          Link to video

          Elbows up!

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          • LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
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            #6

            What does Ukraine winning look like? Beating the Russians back to the borders established since 2014? Taking back the land lost during the annexation?

            The Brad

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              What does Ukraine winning look like? Beating the Russians back to the borders established since 2014? Taking back the land lost during the annexation?

              RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by Renauda
              #7

              @LuFins-Dad

              Best case scenario would I say 2014 borders without Crimea. Most Ukrainians and Zelenskyi would say 1991 borders. If all goes well, the old Hapsburg regions of Western Ukraine where Liviv Ivano-Frankivsk and Chernovsty are - known as Galicia.

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                @LuFins-Dad

                Best case scenario would I say 2014 borders without Crimea. Most Ukrainians and Zelenskyi would say 1991 borders. If all goes well, the old Hapsburg regions of Western Ukraine where Liviv Ivano-Frankivsk and Chernovsty are - known as Galicia.

                George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by George K
                #8

                @Renauda said in Video: Can Ukraine actually WIN this?:

                Most Ukrainians and Zelenskyi would say 1991 borders.

                Is that even a possibility? I thought I saw a story that said Zelensky is willing to concede the eastern parts of Ukraine.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  @Renauda said in Video: Can Ukraine actually WIN this?:

                  Most Ukrainians and Zelenskyi would say 1991 borders.

                  Is that even a possibility? I thought I saw a story that said Zelensky is willing to concede the eastern parts of Ukraine.

                  RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #9

                  @George-K

                  I had not heard that. If true, it would mark a change from any earlier positions.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                    @George-K

                    I had not heard that. If true, it would mark a change from any earlier positions.

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                    George K
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                    @Renauda said in Video: Can Ukraine actually WIN this?:

                    @George-K

                    I had not heard that. If true, it would mark a change from any earlier positions.

                    I probably misstated that.

                    He's willing to talk about it. That's certainly not conceding.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @Renauda said in Video: Can Ukraine actually WIN this?:

                      @George-K

                      I had not heard that. If true, it would mark a change from any earlier positions.

                      I probably misstated that.

                      He's willing to talk about it. That's certainly not conceding.

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #11

                      @George-K

                      My understanding is that if he were to concede the eastern regions, he would alienate his military who have been defending them from the rebels and Russians for last eight years.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        #12

                        https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraines-zelensky-says-cooled-joining-181721289.html

                        Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that he had "cooled down" about Ukraine's bid to join NATO amid Russia's war with the Eastern European country.

                        "Regarding NATO, I have cooled down regarding this question long ago after we understood that NATO is not prepared to accept Ukraine," Zelensky told ABC News in an exclusive interview that aired Monday night.

                        Zelensky added: "The alliance is afraid of controversial things and confrontation with Russia. I never wanted to be a country which is begging something on its knees. We are not going to be that country, and I don't want to be that president."

                        Ukraine's pursuit of NATO membership has been cited by Russian President Vladimir Putin as a justification for his decision to invade Ukraine.

                        In 2008, Ukraine applied to begin a NATO Membership Action Plan, and the alliance welcomed Ukraine's bid, pledging that the country would eventually become a member, while declining to offer a timeline.

                        In addition to his NATO comments, Zelensky said on Tuesday that he was open to discussions about the control of Russian-backed separatist regions in eastern Ukraine, which could be an opening for peace talks with Russia.

                        "It is important to me how people who want to be part of Ukraine will live there. I am interested in the opinion of those who see themselves as citizens of the Russian Federation. However, we must discuss this issue," Zelensky said.

                        Before Putin launched Russia's war on Ukraine, he signed a decree recognizing the separatist regions of Donetsk and Luhansk in the Donbas, an eastern region in Ukraine, as independent states. Putin demanded guarantees that Ukraine would not join NATO in the run-up to his invasion, a demand the alliance's leaders repeatedly rejected.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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