Video: Can Ukraine actually WIN this?

[Aqua Letifer]

@George-K said in Video: Can Ukraine actually WIN this?:

• Also, not only is the Ukrainian mud all but impossible, but their truck tires really suck. (More on this in a day or so.)

That's ironic as all hell when taken into context of the 1940s.

[Renauda]

Well, H. R. McMaster sounds optimistic about Ukraine:

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[LuFins Dad]

What does Ukraine winning look like? Beating the Russians back to the borders established since 2014? Taking back the land lost during the annexation?

[Renauda]

@LuFins-Dad

Best case scenario would I say 2014 borders without Crimea. Most Ukrainians and Zelenskyi would say 1991 borders. If all goes well, the old Hapsburg regions of Western Ukraine where Liviv Ivano-Frankivsk and Chernovsty are - known as Galicia.

[George K]

@Renauda said in Video: Can Ukraine actually WIN this?:

Most Ukrainians and Zelenskyi would say 1991 borders.

Is that even a possibility? I thought I saw a story that said Zelensky is willing to concede the eastern parts of Ukraine.

[Renauda]

@George-K

I had not heard that. If true, it would mark a change from any earlier positions.

[George K]

@Renauda said in Video: Can Ukraine actually WIN this?:

@George-K

I had not heard that. If true, it would mark a change from any earlier positions.

I probably misstated that.

He's willing to talk about it. That's certainly not conceding.

[Renauda]

@George-K

My understanding is that if he were to concede the eastern regions, he would alienate his military who have been defending them from the rebels and Russians for last eight years.

[George K]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraines-zelensky-says-cooled-joining-181721289.html

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that he had "cooled down" about Ukraine's bid to join NATO amid Russia's war with the Eastern European country.

"Regarding NATO, I have cooled down regarding this question long ago after we understood that NATO is not prepared to accept Ukraine," Zelensky told ABC News in an exclusive interview that aired Monday night.

Zelensky added: "The alliance is afraid of controversial things and confrontation with Russia. I never wanted to be a country which is begging something on its knees. We are not going to be that country, and I don't want to be that president."

Ukraine's pursuit of NATO membership has been cited by Russian President Vladimir Putin as a justification for his decision to invade Ukraine.

In 2008, Ukraine applied to begin a NATO Membership Action Plan, and the alliance welcomed Ukraine's bid, pledging that the country would eventually become a member, while declining to offer a timeline.

In addition to his NATO comments, Zelensky said on Tuesday that he was open to discussions about the control of Russian-backed separatist regions in eastern Ukraine, which could be an opening for peace talks with Russia.

"It is important to me how people who want to be part of Ukraine will live there. I am interested in the opinion of those who see themselves as citizens of the Russian Federation. However, we must discuss this issue," Zelensky said.

Before Putin launched Russia's war on Ukraine, he signed a decree recognizing the separatist regions of Donetsk and Luhansk in the Donbas, an eastern region in Ukraine, as independent states. Putin demanded guarantees that Ukraine would not join NATO in the run-up to his invasion, a demand the alliance's leaders repeatedly rejected.

[Copper]

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