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  • There are a lot of people who have been affected by the so-called "protests" in the last few days.

    I can't help but thing there's going to be a lot of backlash about this.

    As I posted in another thread, there's been a lot of violence in my area. Stores have been looted, people have been injured.

    In what world are these "protests" productive? This is like a toddler having a temper tantrum because he didn't get what he wants.

    I'm not disputing the frustration, I'm wondering what all of this is going to accomplish. If anything, it will make things worse, not better.



  • The really stupid thing here is the nation has never been more united in our condemnation of the police involved. There is no way to defend kneeling on a guy’s neck for that length of time.



  • I suspect it will all end up with people shifting right. The left encourages/allows for this, and what in more peaceful times comes off as benign and virtuous blame shifting up the social hierarchy, is going to come off as a totally ineffectual mealy mouthed response, in the eyes of people who actually do want to live in a stable society.



  • After the riots in Detroit, Detroit became, well, Detroit. After the riots in Los Angeles, Watts became a business desert.

    In today's business climate, some of those businesses in the riots areas will never come back...



  • @Jolly and the process of circling the drain will accelerate.



  • @George-K said in Blowback:

    There are a lot of people who have been affected by the so-called "protests" in the last few days.

    I can't help but thing there's going to be a lot of backlash about this.

    As I posted in another thread, there's been a lot of violence in my area. Stores have been looted, people have been injured.

    In what world are these "protests" productive? This is like a toddler having a temper tantrum because he didn't get what he wants.

    I'm not disputing the frustration, I'm wondering what all of this is going to accomplish. If anything, it will make things worse, not better.

    The ones who determine where this goes next are not at all thinking about this. These are riots, not committee hearings. The most extreme will make the next move, it's not about accomplishing anything.



  • @George-K good questions. I was just asking my cousin (who went to the Baltimore protest and said it was “super productive”) what exactly was accomplished other than it being cathartic for folks to vent their feelings. He didn’t reply yet.

    Also, total side topic, but boy do I loathe the overuse of “super” by millennials and kids these days.



  • @Mik ditto. Last night was infuriating.

    The quasi-mainstream view that this was “ok” or understandable really bothered me.



  • These riots are a tired cliche combined with two-bit theft.

    Lock ‘em up



  • @George-K said in Blowback:

    There are a lot of people who have been affected by the so-called "protests" in the last few days.

    I can't help but thing there's going to be a lot of backlash about this.

    As I posted in another thread, there's been a lot of violence in my area. Stores have been looted, people have been injured.

    In what world are these "protests" productive? This is like a toddler having a temper tantrum because he didn't get what he wants.

    I'm not disputing the frustration, I'm wondering what all of this is going to accomplish. If anything, it will make things worse, not better.

    @George-K You are thinking what I was thinking. People who are on the sidelines and see the rioters burning stuff and breaking stuff - that in no way makes me want to go to their side an support them.

    I just don't get it.



  • The rioting mob managed to assassinate at least one police officer last night in Oakland. I'm sure there are others. It is being called a targeted shooting because the man was in uniform.

    I saw a post about it on NextDoor. It was labeled "Trigger Warning - RIP <name of officer>". The "Trigger warning" verbiage was not ironic. In the post, the poster made it clear that the thread was not to be about anybody's opinions about the protest. Just a memorial to the officer.

    So we're at a point where we can't openly express disgust at mob assassinations of police officers, because there's always two sides to every story.



  • Nephew is a cop in Jacksonville. They had an officer stabbed last night.

    Heard on the news, multiple Secret Service guys have chemical splashes.



  • @George-K said in Blowback:

    I'm not disputing the frustration, I'm wondering what all of this is going to accomplish. If anything, it will make things worse, not better.

    Kevin Williamson on Rioting, again



  • @George-K said in Blowback:

    @George-K said in Blowback:

    I'm not disputing the frustration, I'm wondering what all of this is going to accomplish. If anything, it will make things worse, not better.

    Kevin Williamson on Rioting, again

    That was well worth the read.



  • @Jolly said in Blowback:

    @George-K said in Blowback:

    @George-K said in Blowback:

    I'm not disputing the frustration, I'm wondering what all of this is going to accomplish. If anything, it will make things worse, not better.

    Kevin Williamson on Rioting, again

    That was well worth the read.

    I talked with my kids (3 of them are pretty "woke") about this, and said that I remember 67, 68 and others. WHat's happening now is not of the scale we saw then, with entire neighborhoods burning, etc.

    I also pointed out that these riots accomplished precious little (as you mentioned regarding Watts).

    What, specifically is the goal here. I don't get it, and I didn't then. Nothing changed in the late 60's, I told them, and it won't now.



  • My daughter is pretty woke, too. My son is at least as far right as I am.

    Makes for interesting conversations...



  • TG and Aqua's comments sort of preface my thinking here. The riots -- and the pissed-off protests that are maybe on the cusp of turning into riots -- are all about stupid. It is likely that if you asked any of those people what they are hoping to accomplish, they wouldn't have much of an answer. Just some silly crap about "getting what's mine". That's if they didn't just scream in your face because they're in some kind of blind funtime stupid zone.

    Stupid doesn't need a reason. Certainly not a thought-out one.

    The honestly outraged, that is. Not talking about the manipulators.

    The acid test: if for some reason any of you reading these threads took it into your head to join in with the looting and destruction, wouldn't you feel a little stupid? Bashing the Target TV set with a hammer? Wouldn't you find yourself hoping your coworkers don't see you doing this crazy shit? IOW, wouldn't the senselessness of what you were doing be a turnoff? Be embarrassing as hell? Yeah.

    If there is no common ground, there can be no accommodation, no solution. Each time the lemmings run amok, we'll be faced with the same frustration, the same unreachable minds, the same brick wall. We've seen that.

    Like Aqua said, these are not committee meetings. They are wild and furious and directionless and goal-less, until they burn out.

    I don't know what to do, either.



  • We have given a megaphone to a bunch of spoiled children who need their asses kicked. You cant reason with a spoiled child. This crowd will have to be dealt with the same way a spoiled child throwing a tantrum should be dealt with. "Sit down and shut up, or I'm going to bust your ass".



  • Yes there are plenty of good parallels between how the progressives want to treat a society and how an overly permissive parent wants to treat their child. Neither work well, and for the same reasons. Which makes sense when you realize that the ideas in our heads that shape our behaviors and identities come primarily from two places, our parents and the broader culture we're born into.



  • @Catseye3 said in Blowback:

    Like Aqua said, these are not committee meetings. They are wild and furious and directionless and goal-less, until they burn out.

    I don't know what to do, either.

    I should mention that the vast majority of these gatherings are peaceful. Vast. If you like police officers and don't have any experience protesting, or ever wanted to protest, or had anything you felt you had to protest, it's not fun to consider that. And that proportion of peaceful protesting to rioting doesn't fix any windows or bring any businesses back. But it's important to consider if you're more interested in understanding what's going on than condemning people you don't identify with.


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