17 mile convoy headed to Kyiv
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@George-K said in 17 mile convoy headed to Kyiv:
One of the twitter threads I posted how this is a problem, from a strategic standpoint. One well-placed IED stops the convoy, and, as you said, it becomes a sitting duck.
And then you hit the tail end to stop the ability to retreat.
Line that roadway on both sides with troops/civilians to kill any troops attempting to flee.
Their armed drones could systematically destroy all that equipment.
That would deflate anybody's bubble.
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The other relevant point about armored columns - Kyiv has a very deep and very extensive metro.
metros have service access every few 100 meters. You can get behind armored lines very easily with these and start shooting anti-armor weapons.
None of the major urban warfare theatres have had this dynamic for the past several decades.
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@xenon said in 17 mile convoy headed to Kyiv:
@Jolly said in 17 mile convoy headed to Kyiv:
Shame the Ukranians don't have a squadron of A-10's...
I hear the Turkish drones have been pretty effective for this sort of use (obviously no A-10).
Exactly.
They are only moving about 5 km a day due to supply line issues.
We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
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That’s because their service battalion conscripts are too busy bartering fuel for food from the locals not knowing they are being set up for capture by Ukrainian forces. Russian rations suck.
In any case the only reason the Russians can have long exposed convoys like that is because they are confident they have air superiority over the theatre. While A-10’s would be useful, the Ukrainians would need something more along the lines of F - 18s or better. And lot’s of them.
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
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They should freeze their bank accounts and threaten their dogs!
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There are reports that Russian soldiers are sabotaging their own equipment to stall the convoy? Punching holes in their own fuel tanks and such?
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Have not heard this. Source?
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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It’s always something.
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@Renauda said in 17 mile convoy headed to Kyiv:
Have not heard this. Source?
Some Russian units are surrendering “sometimes without a fight,” while others are made up of conscripts who have “never been in combat” and “weren’t even told they were going to be in combat.” In some instances, Russian troops have punched holes in their vehicles’ gas tanks, presumably to avoid getting into combat situations, the official added..
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@LuFins-Dad said in 17 mile convoy headed to Kyiv:
There are reports that Russian soldiers are sabotaging their own equipment to stall the convoy? Punching holes in their own fuel tanks and such?
Did a bit of research. I am told that Russian tanks often carry extra drums of fuel while in convoy. They either drain or shed those drums prior to going into attack formation.
If true then it may not therefore be a positive sign.
Edit : just saw your response.
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I've read that the logistics of getting these, or any combat aircraft, into Ukraine is a major problem.
Specifically, if youfly them in, it can be claimed that aircraft from NATO airspace are invading, resulting in a major escalation. Potentially, they could fly in from the south, from non-NATO airspace, buy you'd need the cooperation of those countries, and that's not assured. Finally, they could be trucked in, after being disassembled, but that's a big deal.
Also, getting the airplane is the easy part. You need pilots who are trained, and more importantly, ground support personnel (mechanics, etc).
