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    xenon
    wrote on last edited by xenon
    #6

    The other relevant point about armored columns - Kyiv has a very deep and very extensive metro.

    metros have service access every few 100 meters. You can get behind armored lines very easily with these and start shooting anti-armor weapons.

    None of the major urban warfare theatres have had this dynamic for the past several decades.

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      @Jolly said in 17 mile convoy headed to Kyiv:

      Shame the Ukranians don't have a squadron of A-10's...

      I hear the Turkish drones have been pretty effective for this sort of use (obviously no A-10).

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      @xenon said in 17 mile convoy headed to Kyiv:

      @Jolly said in 17 mile convoy headed to Kyiv:

      Shame the Ukranians don't have a squadron of A-10's...

      I hear the Turkish drones have been pretty effective for this sort of use (obviously no A-10).

      Exactly.

      They are only moving about 5 km a day due to supply line issues.

      We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
      Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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      • ImprovisoI Improviso

        @xenon said in 17 mile convoy headed to Kyiv:

        @Jolly said in 17 mile convoy headed to Kyiv:

        Shame the Ukranians don't have a squadron of A-10's...

        I hear the Turkish drones have been pretty effective for this sort of use (obviously no A-10).

        Exactly.

        They are only moving about 5 km a day due to supply line issues.

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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #8

        @Improviso

        That’s because their service battalion conscripts are too busy bartering fuel for food from the locals not knowing they are being set up for capture by Ukrainian forces. Russian rations suck.

        In any case the only reason the Russians can have long exposed convoys like that is because they are confident they have air superiority over the theatre. While A-10’s would be useful, the Ukrainians would need something more along the lines of F - 18s or better. And lot’s of them.

        Elbows up!

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          @Improviso

          That’s because their service battalion conscripts are too busy bartering fuel for food from the locals not knowing they are being set up for capture by Ukrainian forces. Russian rations suck.

          In any case the only reason the Russians can have long exposed convoys like that is because they are confident they have air superiority over the theatre. While A-10’s would be useful, the Ukrainians would need something more along the lines of F - 18s or better. And lot’s of them.

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          Improviso
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          #9

          While A-10’s would be useful, the Ukrainians would need something more along the lines of F - 18s or better. And lot’s of them.

          A handful of A-10's would make for a wonderful video.

          We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
          Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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          • ImprovisoI Improviso

            While A-10’s would be useful, the Ukrainians would need something more along the lines of F - 18s or better. And lot’s of them.

            A handful of A-10's would make for a wonderful video.

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            Renauda
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            @Improviso

            Oh, I agree

            Elbows up!

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              #11

              They should freeze their bank accounts and threaten their dogs!

              The Brad

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                Improviso
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                #12

                275016519_1409693496210490_6306561101842135299_n.jpg

                We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                  LuFins Dad
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                  #13

                  There are reports that Russian soldiers are sabotaging their own equipment to stall the convoy? Punching holes in their own fuel tanks and such?

                  The Brad

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    There are reports that Russian soldiers are sabotaging their own equipment to stall the convoy? Punching holes in their own fuel tanks and such?

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                    @LuFins-Dad

                    Have not heard this. Source?

                    Elbows up!

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                      #15

                      Where are the Jewish space lasers when you need them?

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        Where are the Jewish space lasers when you need them?

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                        George K
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                        #16

                        @jon-nyc said in 17 mile convoy headed to Kyiv:

                        Where are the Jewish space lasers when you need them?

                        Or even the Turkish UAVs?

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                          @LuFins-Dad

                          Have not heard this. Source?

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                          LuFins Dad
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                          @Renauda said in 17 mile convoy headed to Kyiv:

                          @LuFins-Dad

                          Have not heard this. Source?

                          Some Russian units are surrendering “sometimes without a fight,” while others are made up of conscripts who have “never been in combat” and “weren’t even told they were going to be in combat.” In some instances, Russian troops have punched holes in their vehicles’ gas tanks, presumably to avoid getting into combat situations, the official added..

                          https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/russian-troops-risk-averse-for-themselves-but-not-ukrainian-civilians

                          The Brad

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            There are reports that Russian soldiers are sabotaging their own equipment to stall the convoy? Punching holes in their own fuel tanks and such?

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                            @LuFins-Dad said in 17 mile convoy headed to Kyiv:

                            There are reports that Russian soldiers are sabotaging their own equipment to stall the convoy? Punching holes in their own fuel tanks and such?

                            Did a bit of research. I am told that Russian tanks often carry extra drums of fuel while in convoy. They either drain or shed those drums prior to going into attack formation.

                            If true then it may not therefore be a positive sign.

                            Edit : just saw your response.

                            Elbows up!

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #19

                              Send ‘em in!

                              https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2022/03/03/transfer-three-a-10-aircraft-squadrons-to-ukraine-now/

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                Screen Shot 2022-03-05 at 7.40.04 AM copy.jpg

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  #21

                                  I've read that the logistics of getting these, or any combat aircraft, into Ukraine is a major problem.

                                  Specifically, if youfly them in, it can be claimed that aircraft from NATO airspace are invading, resulting in a major escalation. Potentially, they could fly in from the south, from non-NATO airspace, buy you'd need the cooperation of those countries, and that's not assured. Finally, they could be trucked in, after being disassembled, but that's a big deal.

                                  Also, getting the airplane is the easy part. You need pilots who are trained, and more importantly, ground support personnel (mechanics, etc).

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Mik
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                                    #22

                                    Still worth looking at.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      Axtremus
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                                      #23

                                      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/04/russian-soldiers-ukraine-anger-duped-into-war

                                      "Demoralised Russian soldiers tell of anger at being ‘duped’ into war"

                                      Propaganda for sure, but maybe also with some truth.

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                                        Jolly
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                                        #24

                                        LAC.

                                        Probably too late, and they work best when you have air superiority, but easy to transport, cheap to fly and very effective if you have the right munitions. I'm sure we left several sitting on the ground in Afghanistan...

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          LAC.

                                          Probably too late, and they work best when you have air superiority, but easy to transport, cheap to fly and very effective if you have the right munitions. I'm sure we left several sitting on the ground in Afghanistan...

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                                          @Jolly said in 17 mile convoy headed to Kyiv:

                                          LAC.

                                          :man-shrugging:

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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