Putin has already lost the war
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@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
Sorry, but all my spoons are in the dishwasher right now.
In the meantime, may I recommend you have a nice cup of research.
Google or the search engine of your choice is your friend.
‘a-blowe yow and be-kele yow wel, and comyth up all with your ease’ ~ attributed to Henry V
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@Renauda said in Putin has already lost the war:
With citizens in every country, including probably half of Russia, not in support of what is going on.....
I wish I could share in your optimism about the lack of support in Russia. I do not believe for a second that the vast majority of the Russian public has not bought into Putin’s propaganda narrative blaming all of this on “Ukrainian Nazis”and NATO.
Then Russians deserve any and all economic punishment the world can muster. And then some.
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@Renauda said in Putin has already lost the war:
@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
Sorry, but all my spoons are in the dishwasher right now.
In the meantime, may I recommend you have a nice cup of research.
Google or the search engine of your choice is your friend.
I wasn't asking you specifically. You are free not to respond, as always.
Education is extremely important.
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‘a-blowe yow and be-kele yow wel, and comyth up all with your ease’ ~ attributed to Henry V
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Putin has already lost the war:
@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
From what I've read, this is a response to US-sponsored Ukrainian aggression. The Russians are essentially defending themselves. The (Jewish) President of Ukraine is a Nazi sympathiser, as are his supporters. There was a fire in Odessa that was supported or instigated by Ukraine, in which a lot of people died at the hands of Ukrainian nationalists.
They posted a Chinese picture of all the wars that America has "started" in the last 50-odd years, and said "So who's the real threat to world peace?"
It's a big pile of shit, basically.
Thanks.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Putin has already lost the war:
@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
From what I've read, this is a response to US-sponsored Ukrainian aggression. The Russians are essentially defending themselves. The (Jewish) President of Ukraine is a Nazi sympathiser, as are his supporters. There was a fire in Odessa that was supported or instigated by Ukraine, in which a lot of people died at the hands of Ukrainian nationalists.
They posted a Chinese picture of all the wars that America has "started" in the last 50-odd years, and said "So who's the real threat to world peace?"
It's a big pile of shit, basically.
Why do you think what they believe is a big pile of shit?
Like Ren said, Russia believes Ukraine is part of Russia.
And it's not too hard to believe there was US involvement when you think about the Biden being there.
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Putin would have imagined insidious US involvement if only Mickey Mouse or an Elvis impersonator was seen on the streets of Kyiv.
Biden and family have little or nothing to do with it.
On the other hand I would be a little more confident about all this if someone along the likes of Mitt Romney or possibly Nikki Halley were in the White House right now. In the meantime Joe is the man, and from what I can see, he has stepped forward to do his duty. He certainly has not rewarded the khuilo in the Kremlin by proclaiming his tactics as “genius”.
‘a-blowe yow and be-kele yow wel, and comyth up all with your ease’ ~ attributed to Henry V
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@Friday said in Putin has already lost the war:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Putin has already lost the war:
@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
From what I've read, this is a response to US-sponsored Ukrainian aggression. The Russians are essentially defending themselves. The (Jewish) President of Ukraine is a Nazi sympathiser, as are his supporters. There was a fire in Odessa that was supported or instigated by Ukraine, in which a lot of people died at the hands of Ukrainian nationalists.
They posted a Chinese picture of all the wars that America has "started" in the last 50-odd years, and said "So who's the real threat to world peace?"
It's a big pile of shit, basically.
Why do you think what they believe is a big pile of shit?
Like Ren said, Russia believes Ukraine is part of Russia.
And it's not too hard to believe there was US involvement when you think about the Biden being there.
The Jewish Nazi and anti-Russian Ukrainian aggression is clearly nonsense. He's a democratically elected president. Ukraine didn't start this war.
It's really a stretch to claim your acting in self-defence when you're occupying somebody else's country.
Whether or not they believe that Ukraine is part of Russia is kind of immaterial. It's what Ukraine believes that is important.
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@Renauda said in Putin has already lost the war:
Putin would have imagined insidious US involvement if only Mickey Mouse or an Elvis impersonator was seen on the streets of Kyiv.
Biden and family have little or nothing to do with it.
On the other hand I would be a little more confident about all this if someone along the likes of Mitt Romney or possibly Nikki Halley were in the White House right now. In the meantime Joe is the man, and from what I can see, he has stepped forward to do his duty. He certainly has not rewarded the khuilo in the Kremlin by proclaiming his tactics as “genius”.
His tactics were proclaimed as genius in light of Biden's initial response and the fact that Joe has not moved (as far as I know) to turn off the Russian oil spigot to the U.S. If Putin had rolled them up in 72 hours, before any Western intervention, then yes, it's pretty smart.
Because I know, and I know you know, that most Western countries really didn't care about the Ukraine, except as the bad side of tracks in the Wild West, where money could be made with a minimum of scruples.
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To be fair, Trump described himself as a genius, so the bar's pretty low.
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Well Putin didn’t roll anything up in 72 hours. So I refuse to discuss the former POTUS any further. All I know is that between 2016 and 2020 he appeared to the world as cowed by Putin. So much so that, as Jon reminded us earlier, he refused to export weapons to Ukraine.
Besides, right now none of this should be about the US president past or serving. It should be about how are we are going to deal with Putin and Russia now and going forward.
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Y'all went there, I didn't. In the words of Agent J...
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And we're still buying Russian oil. As of this week, maybe Venezuelan, who knows?
What I do know is this: There needs to be a serious discussion in the West, where energy needs are looked at without a pollyannish evaluation, or pie-in-the-sky green projections. We need to factor in oil, coal, natural gas, solar, wind, hydroelectric and geothermal, using what makes economic sense for the region in which it is located. And we need to treat energy as a strategic resource.
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@Renauda said: I wish I could share in your optimism about the lack of support in Russia. I do not believe for a second that the vast majority of the Russian public has not bought into Putin’s propaganda narrative blaming all of this on “Ukrainian Nazis”and NATO.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^FWIW, these excerpts from PBS: Putin’s public approval soared as Russia prepared to attack Ukraine. History shows it’s unlikely to last.
Historical data shows that diversionary wars — fighting abroad to draw attention away from problems at home — have rarely worked for Putin.
Daring and expensive military adventures will, over time, decrease the Kremlin’s popularity, history also tells us.
As a scholar of Russia and public opinion, I know that war ultimately requires an enormous amount of public goodwill and support for a political leader — far more than a brief spike in popularity can ensure.
Russia’s military buildup along the Ukrainian border over the last few months coincides with a steady rise in Putin’s popularity.
Approximately 69% of Russians now approve of Putin, compared to the 61% who approved of him in August 2021, according to Russian polling agency the Levada Center. And 29% of Russians disapprove of Putin, down from 37% in August 2021. The polling group is the leading independent sociological research organization in Russia and is widely respected by many scholars, including myself.
Support for Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin and his cabinet also increased moderately in the same time period.
The Russian public largely believes that the Kremlin is defending Russia by standing up to the West.
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About 38% of Russians did not consider war with Ukraine a real possibility as of December 2021, according to Levada Center polling. Another 15% completely ruled out the possibility of armed conflict.
Approximately 83% of Russians report positive views on Ukrainians. And 51% of Russians say that Russia and Ukraine should be independent, yet friendly, countries.
The popular narrative is that Russia is a besieged fortress, constantly fending off Western attacks.
Half of Russians blame the current crisis on the U.S. and NATO, while 16% think Ukraine is the aggressor. Just 4% believe Russia is responsible.
