Putin has already lost the war
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With citizens in every country, including probably half of Russia, not in support of what is going on.....
I wish I could share in your optimism about the lack of support in Russia. I do not believe for a second that the vast majority of the Russian public has not bought into Putin’s propaganda narrative blaming all of this on “Ukrainian Nazis”and NATO.
@Renauda said in Putin has already lost the war:
With citizens in every country, including probably half of Russia, not in support of what is going on.....
I wish I could share in your optimism about the lack of support in Russia. I do not believe for a second that the vast majority of the Russian public has not bought into Putin’s propaganda narrative blaming all of this on “Ukrainian Nazis”and NATO.
I occasionally follow a Twitter feed for a top Russian chess player, who you would assume was a fairly smart guy, and he is parroting the Russian propaganda as though it's acknowledged truth. There's no shortage of other Russians agreeing with him. Needless to say, he's being roasted by pretty much everybody else, but in his view that is just due to their ignorance and stupidity.
Of course, I can think of at least one American professional chess player who wasn't the most rational individual when it came to world affairs, so maybe it means nothing.
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So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
From what I've read, this is a response to US-sponsored Ukrainian aggression. The Russians are essentially defending themselves. The (Jewish) President of Ukraine is a Nazi sympathiser, as are his supporters. There was a fire in Odessa that was supported or instigated by Ukraine, in which a lot of people died at the hands of Ukrainian nationalists.
They posted a Chinese picture of all the wars that America has "started" in the last 50-odd years, and said "So who's the real threat to world peace?"
It's a big pile of shit, basically.
I was only joking
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@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
Sorry, but all my spoons are in the dishwasher right now.
In the meantime, may I recommend you have a nice cup of research.
Google or the search engine of your choice is your friend.
Elbows up!
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With citizens in every country, including probably half of Russia, not in support of what is going on.....
I wish I could share in your optimism about the lack of support in Russia. I do not believe for a second that the vast majority of the Russian public has not bought into Putin’s propaganda narrative blaming all of this on “Ukrainian Nazis”and NATO.
@Renauda said in Putin has already lost the war:
With citizens in every country, including probably half of Russia, not in support of what is going on.....
I wish I could share in your optimism about the lack of support in Russia. I do not believe for a second that the vast majority of the Russian public has not bought into Putin’s propaganda narrative blaming all of this on “Ukrainian Nazis”and NATO.
Then Russians deserve any and all economic punishment the world can muster. And then some.
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@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
Sorry, but all my spoons are in the dishwasher right now.
In the meantime, may I recommend you have a nice cup of research.
Google or the search engine of your choice is your friend.
@Renauda said in Putin has already lost the war:
@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
Sorry, but all my spoons are in the dishwasher right now.
In the meantime, may I recommend you have a nice cup of research.
Google or the search engine of your choice is your friend.
I wasn't asking you specifically. You are free not to respond, as always.
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@Renauda said in Putin has already lost the war:
@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
Sorry, but all my spoons are in the dishwasher right now.
In the meantime, may I recommend you have a nice cup of research.
Google or the search engine of your choice is your friend.
I wasn't asking you specifically. You are free not to respond, as always.
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@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
From what I've read, this is a response to US-sponsored Ukrainian aggression. The Russians are essentially defending themselves. The (Jewish) President of Ukraine is a Nazi sympathiser, as are his supporters. There was a fire in Odessa that was supported or instigated by Ukraine, in which a lot of people died at the hands of Ukrainian nationalists.
They posted a Chinese picture of all the wars that America has "started" in the last 50-odd years, and said "So who's the real threat to world peace?"
It's a big pile of shit, basically.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Putin has already lost the war:
@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
From what I've read, this is a response to US-sponsored Ukrainian aggression. The Russians are essentially defending themselves. The (Jewish) President of Ukraine is a Nazi sympathiser, as are his supporters. There was a fire in Odessa that was supported or instigated by Ukraine, in which a lot of people died at the hands of Ukrainian nationalists.
They posted a Chinese picture of all the wars that America has "started" in the last 50-odd years, and said "So who's the real threat to world peace?"
It's a big pile of shit, basically.
Thanks.
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@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
From what I've read, this is a response to US-sponsored Ukrainian aggression. The Russians are essentially defending themselves. The (Jewish) President of Ukraine is a Nazi sympathiser, as are his supporters. There was a fire in Odessa that was supported or instigated by Ukraine, in which a lot of people died at the hands of Ukrainian nationalists.
They posted a Chinese picture of all the wars that America has "started" in the last 50-odd years, and said "So who's the real threat to world peace?"
It's a big pile of shit, basically.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Putin has already lost the war:
@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
From what I've read, this is a response to US-sponsored Ukrainian aggression. The Russians are essentially defending themselves. The (Jewish) President of Ukraine is a Nazi sympathiser, as are his supporters. There was a fire in Odessa that was supported or instigated by Ukraine, in which a lot of people died at the hands of Ukrainian nationalists.
They posted a Chinese picture of all the wars that America has "started" in the last 50-odd years, and said "So who's the real threat to world peace?"
It's a big pile of shit, basically.
Why do you think what they believe is a big pile of shit?
Like Ren said, Russia believes Ukraine is part of Russia.
And it's not too hard to believe there was US involvement when you think about the Biden being there.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Putin has already lost the war:
@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
From what I've read, this is a response to US-sponsored Ukrainian aggression. The Russians are essentially defending themselves. The (Jewish) President of Ukraine is a Nazi sympathiser, as are his supporters. There was a fire in Odessa that was supported or instigated by Ukraine, in which a lot of people died at the hands of Ukrainian nationalists.
They posted a Chinese picture of all the wars that America has "started" in the last 50-odd years, and said "So who's the real threat to world peace?"
It's a big pile of shit, basically.
Why do you think what they believe is a big pile of shit?
Like Ren said, Russia believes Ukraine is part of Russia.
And it's not too hard to believe there was US involvement when you think about the Biden being there.
Putin would have imagined insidious US involvement if only Mickey Mouse or an Elvis impersonator was seen on the streets of Kyiv.
Biden and family have little or nothing to do with it.
On the other hand I would be a little more confident about all this if someone along the likes of Mitt Romney or possibly Nikki Halley were in the White House right now. In the meantime Joe is the man, and from what I can see, he has stepped forward to do his duty. He certainly has not rewarded the khuilo in the Kremlin by proclaiming his tactics as “genius”.
Elbows up!
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Putin has already lost the war:
@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
From what I've read, this is a response to US-sponsored Ukrainian aggression. The Russians are essentially defending themselves. The (Jewish) President of Ukraine is a Nazi sympathiser, as are his supporters. There was a fire in Odessa that was supported or instigated by Ukraine, in which a lot of people died at the hands of Ukrainian nationalists.
They posted a Chinese picture of all the wars that America has "started" in the last 50-odd years, and said "So who's the real threat to world peace?"
It's a big pile of shit, basically.
Why do you think what they believe is a big pile of shit?
Like Ren said, Russia believes Ukraine is part of Russia.
And it's not too hard to believe there was US involvement when you think about the Biden being there.
@Friday said in Putin has already lost the war:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Putin has already lost the war:
@Horace said in Putin has already lost the war:
So, what is the propaganda? What are the Russian masses being fed?
From what I've read, this is a response to US-sponsored Ukrainian aggression. The Russians are essentially defending themselves. The (Jewish) President of Ukraine is a Nazi sympathiser, as are his supporters. There was a fire in Odessa that was supported or instigated by Ukraine, in which a lot of people died at the hands of Ukrainian nationalists.
They posted a Chinese picture of all the wars that America has "started" in the last 50-odd years, and said "So who's the real threat to world peace?"
It's a big pile of shit, basically.
Why do you think what they believe is a big pile of shit?
Like Ren said, Russia believes Ukraine is part of Russia.
And it's not too hard to believe there was US involvement when you think about the Biden being there.
The Jewish Nazi and anti-Russian Ukrainian aggression is clearly nonsense. He's a democratically elected president. Ukraine didn't start this war.
It's really a stretch to claim your acting in self-defence when you're occupying somebody else's country.
Whether or not they believe that Ukraine is part of Russia is kind of immaterial. It's what Ukraine believes that is important.
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Putin would have imagined insidious US involvement if only Mickey Mouse or an Elvis impersonator was seen on the streets of Kyiv.
Biden and family have little or nothing to do with it.
On the other hand I would be a little more confident about all this if someone along the likes of Mitt Romney or possibly Nikki Halley were in the White House right now. In the meantime Joe is the man, and from what I can see, he has stepped forward to do his duty. He certainly has not rewarded the khuilo in the Kremlin by proclaiming his tactics as “genius”.
@Renauda said in Putin has already lost the war:
Putin would have imagined insidious US involvement if only Mickey Mouse or an Elvis impersonator was seen on the streets of Kyiv.
Biden and family have little or nothing to do with it.
On the other hand I would be a little more confident about all this if someone along the likes of Mitt Romney or possibly Nikki Halley were in the White House right now. In the meantime Joe is the man, and from what I can see, he has stepped forward to do his duty. He certainly has not rewarded the khuilo in the Kremlin by proclaiming his tactics as “genius”.
His tactics were proclaimed as genius in light of Biden's initial response and the fact that Joe has not moved (as far as I know) to turn off the Russian oil spigot to the U.S. If Putin had rolled them up in 72 hours, before any Western intervention, then yes, it's pretty smart.
Because I know, and I know you know, that most Western countries really didn't care about the Ukraine, except as the bad side of tracks in the Wild West, where money could be made with a minimum of scruples.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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To be fair, Trump described himself as a genius, so the bar's pretty low.
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@Renauda said in Putin has already lost the war:
Putin would have imagined insidious US involvement if only Mickey Mouse or an Elvis impersonator was seen on the streets of Kyiv.
Biden and family have little or nothing to do with it.
On the other hand I would be a little more confident about all this if someone along the likes of Mitt Romney or possibly Nikki Halley were in the White House right now. In the meantime Joe is the man, and from what I can see, he has stepped forward to do his duty. He certainly has not rewarded the khuilo in the Kremlin by proclaiming his tactics as “genius”.
His tactics were proclaimed as genius in light of Biden's initial response and the fact that Joe has not moved (as far as I know) to turn off the Russian oil spigot to the U.S. If Putin had rolled them up in 72 hours, before any Western intervention, then yes, it's pretty smart.
Because I know, and I know you know, that most Western countries really didn't care about the Ukraine, except as the bad side of tracks in the Wild West, where money could be made with a minimum of scruples.
Well Putin didn’t roll anything up in 72 hours. So I refuse to discuss the former POTUS any further. All I know is that between 2016 and 2020 he appeared to the world as cowed by Putin. So much so that, as Jon reminded us earlier, he refused to export weapons to Ukraine.
Besides, right now none of this should be about the US president past or serving. It should be about how are we are going to deal with Putin and Russia now and going forward.
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Y'all went there, I didn't. In the words of Agent J...
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And we're still buying Russian oil. As of this week, maybe Venezuelan, who knows?
What I do know is this: There needs to be a serious discussion in the West, where energy needs are looked at without a pollyannish evaluation, or pie-in-the-sky green projections. We need to factor in oil, coal, natural gas, solar, wind, hydroelectric and geothermal, using what makes economic sense for the region in which it is located. And we need to treat energy as a strategic resource.
