Today's musical interlude
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I like Vivaldi. The piano hadn't been invented yet. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that when the piano came along, there were people who would drown if it rained on them who said those "pop musicians playing that pop music instrument called a piano didn't qualify as classical music...
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@klaus said in Today's musical interlude:
OK, Larry, tell me: When is a piece of music "classical music"? Why did you call this song "classical music"?
Why do you say it is not ?
And God I hope you don't give me that old "only composers from the classical era can compose classical music" shit..
@larry said in Today's musical interlude:
@klaus said in Today's musical interlude:
OK, Larry, tell me: When is a piece of music "classical music"? Why did you call this song "classical music"?
Why do you say it is not ?
Because in my opinion the word "classical music" refers to music that stands in the tradition or is an evolution of Western art music. I don't hear much of that in the piece, but I hear a lot that stands in the tradition of Western pop and rock music.
Of course "classical music" can be composed today, and there are is no shortage of composers. It's just that I wouldn't apply the label to this particular piece, for the reason given above.
Now it's your turn.
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@larry said in Today's musical interlude:
@klaus said in Today's musical interlude:
OK, Larry, tell me: When is a piece of music "classical music"? Why did you call this song "classical music"?
Why do you say it is not ?
Because in my opinion the word "classical music" refers to music that stands in the tradition or is an evolution of Western art music. I don't hear much of that in the piece, but I hear a lot that stands in the tradition of Western pop and rock music.
Of course "classical music" can be composed today, and there are is no shortage of composers. It's just that I wouldn't apply the label to this particular piece, for the reason given above.
Now it's your turn.
@klaus said in Today's musical interlude:
@larry said in Today's musical interlude:
@klaus said in Today's musical interlude:
OK, Larry, tell me: When is a piece of music "classical music"? Why did you call this song "classical music"?
Why do you say it is not ?
Because in my opinion the word "classical music" refers to music that stands in the tradition or is an evolution of Western art music. I don't hear much of that in the piece, but I hear a lot that stands in the tradition of Western pop and rock music.
Now it's your turn.
Well that's just ignorant, Klaus.
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I was only joking
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@larry said in Today's musical interlude:
@klaus said in Today's musical interlude:
OK, Larry, tell me: When is a piece of music "classical music"? Why did you call this song "classical music"?
Why do you say it is not ?
Because in my opinion the word "classical music" refers to music that stands in the tradition or is an evolution of Western art music. I don't hear much of that in the piece, but I hear a lot that stands in the tradition of Western pop and rock music.
Of course "classical music" can be composed today, and there are is no shortage of composers. It's just that I wouldn't apply the label to this particular piece, for the reason given above.
Now it's your turn.
@klaus said in Today's musical interlude:
@larry said in Today's musical interlude:
@klaus said in Today's musical interlude:
OK, Larry, tell me: When is a piece of music "classical music"? Why did you call this song "classical music"?
Why do you say it is not ?
Because in my opinion the word "classical music" refers to music that stands in the tradition or is an evolution of Western art music. I don't hear much of that in the piece, but I hear a lot that stands in the tradition of Western pop and rock music.
Of course "classical music" can be composed today, and there are is no shortage of composers. It's just that I wouldn't apply the label to this particular piece, for the reason given above.
Now it's your turn.
"Stands in the tradition or is an evolution of western art music"...... so you admit that music evolves..., but we have two paths here.... 1. "In the tradition of" or 2. "Evolves from" western art music.... the piano and the various composers who wrote for it and performed on it, "stood in the tradition of western art music", and "Evolves from it". That tradition had been in place for a LONG time before the invention of the piano. Most of the pianists from that era were the "pop stars" of their day, looked down on by musical elitist who viewed the piano as vulgar. Liszt as an example, was the equivalent of the Beatles during his day. So to talk about something being "in the tradition of r an evolution of" western art music is a ridiculous statement, unless you believe "western art music" stopped evolving at some point, or Montreal is not in the West....
Blue grass is a part of the evolution of western art music also. Unless you're now going to try to claim that only 300 year old pianists created art, which opens up a whole other can of stupid.
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@george-k said in Today's musical interlude:
@Larry , what is YOUR definition of "classical" music?
Classical music is what people who would drown if it rained on them listen to because other people who would drown if it rained on them told them it made them look sophisticated if they listen to it.
Classical music began 200 years before the existence of the modern piano, and continues to be written to this very day.
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@doctor-phibes said in Today's musical interlude:
@mik said in Today's musical interlude:
Also the Russians.
All of them?
Nyet, nekulturny.
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I like classical musical, but I'm a jazz snob
I wouldn't really have described that second piece as 'classical', more classical-influenced.
Does it really matter? We stick labels on things to try and help categorize them. Then the label becomes more important than the music......
I was only joking
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@george-k said in Today's musical interlude:
@Larry , what is YOUR definition of "classical" music?
Classical music is what people who would drown if it rained on them listen to because other people who would drown if it rained on them told them it made them look sophisticated if they listen to it.
Classical music began 200 years before the existence of the modern piano, and continues to be written to this very day.
@larry said in Today's musical interlude:
Classical music is what people who would drown if it rained on them listen to because other people who would drown if it rained on them told them it made them look sophisticated if they listen to it.
That's a pretty non-responsive answer.
Classical music began 200 years before the existence of the modern piano, and continues to be written to this very day.
That's true, but doesn't define it.
How about this?
"Classical Music is something @Larry hates?"
(among other things, of course)
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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I like classical musical, but I'm a jazz snob
I wouldn't really have described that second piece as 'classical', more classical-influenced.
Does it really matter? We stick labels on things to try and help categorize them. Then the label becomes more important than the music......
@doctor-phibes said in Today's musical interlude:
I like classical musical, but I'm a jazz snob
I wouldn't really have described that second piece as 'classical', more classical-influenced.
Does it really matter? We stick labels on things to try and help categorize them. Then the label becomes more important than the music......
I want to like it. But I can't because I simply cannot tolerate the elitism itsadherents tend to display. I absolutely despise pretentiousness, and that has climbed all over the genre like ugly on an ape.
And like you say, the label is more important to them than the music.
So.... fuck Chopin...... lol
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@larry said in Today's musical interlude:
Classical music is what people who would drown if it rained on them listen to because other people who would drown if it rained on them told them it made them look sophisticated if they listen to it.
That's a pretty non-responsive answer.
Classical music began 200 years before the existence of the modern piano, and continues to be written to this very day.
That's true, but doesn't define it.
How about this?
"Classical Music is something @Larry hates?"
(among other things, of course)
@george-k said in Today's musical interlude:
@larry said in Today's musical interlude:
Classical music is what people who would drown if it rained on them listen to because other people who would drown if it rained on them told them it made them look sophisticated if they listen to it.
That's a pretty non-responsive answer.
Classical music began 200 years before the existence of the modern piano, and continues to be written to this very day.
That's true, but doesn't define it.
How about this?
"Classical Music is something @Larry hates?"
(among other things, of course)
I thought it was quite responsive, and to the point, myself....
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@doctor-phibes said in Today's musical interlude:
I like classical musical, but I'm a jazz snob
I wouldn't really have described that second piece as 'classical', more classical-influenced.
Does it really matter? We stick labels on things to try and help categorize them. Then the label becomes more important than the music......
I want to like it. But I can't because I simply cannot tolerate the elitism itsadherents tend to display. I absolutely despise pretentiousness, and that has climbed all over the genre like ugly on an ape.
And like you say, the label is more important to them than the music.
So.... fuck Chopin...... lol
@larry said in Today's musical interlude:
I simply cannot tolerate the elitism itsadherents tend to display.
IOW, you can't distinguish the art from the person who either produces it or likes it, right?
Would you say the same thing, say, about "country" music (whatever that is these days)?
"I hate country music because the people who like it are a bunch of knuckle-dragging rednecks."
That's, basically, what you're saying, isn't it?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Klaus, to be honest, you are displaying the very snobbery that made me hate classical music to start with. What a narrow minded view of things you have... sheesh
@larry said in Today's musical interlude:
Klaus, to be honest, you are displaying the very snobbery that made me hate classical music to start with. What a narrow minded view of things you have... sheesh
My definition is more or less what you'd find in dictionaries. It's not my invention. Words are not very useful when they don't have meaning. I've given you what I think most people mean when they use the word.
So, let me ask you again. You listen to a piece of music. How do you decide whether it's "classical music"? You still haven't given an answer.
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@larry said in Today's musical interlude:
I simply cannot tolerate the elitism itsadherents tend to display.
IOW, you can't distinguish the art from the person who either produces it or likes it, right?
Would you say the same thing, say, about "country" music (whatever that is these days)?
"I hate country music because the people who like it are a bunch of knuckle-dragging rednecks."
That's, basically, what you're saying, isn't it?
@george-k said in Today's musical interlude:
@larry said in Today's musical interlude:
I simply cannot tolerate the elitism itsadherents tend to display.
IOW, you can't distinguish the art from the person who either produces it or likes it, right?
Would you say the same thing, say, about "country" music (whatever that is these days)?
"I hate country music because the people who like it are a bunch of knuckle-dragging rednecks."
That's, basically, what you're saying, isn't it?
Not at all.
