To Mask or Not To Mask?
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wrote on 28 Jul 2020, 02:37 last edited by jon-nyc
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wrote on 28 Jul 2020, 03:00 last edited by
I wonder how the people around him resist the temptation to push his head into the toilet and pull his underpants over his head.
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wrote on 28 Jul 2020, 22:06 last edited by
That’s hilarious
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wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 17:49 last edited by
The science is settled - not:
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The science is settled - not:
wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 17:54 last edited by@George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
The science is settled - not:
Show me in the article where it explains the scientific basis for masks being ineffective.
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@George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
The science is settled - not:
Show me in the article where it explains the scientific basis for masks being ineffective.
wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 19:08 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
@George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
The science is settled - not:
Show me in the article where it explains the scientific basis for masks being ineffective.
I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
@George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
The science is settled - not:
Show me in the article where it explains the scientific basis for masks being ineffective.
I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.
wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 19:20 last edited by@George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.
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@George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.
wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 19:31 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
@George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.
I'm not disagreeing with what you said, and, once again, I think people should mask.
But my point is that models of aerosol spread, etc don't necessarily reflect effectiveness in preventing spread. What happens in a petri dish isn't necessarily what happens in the real world.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
@George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.
I'm not disagreeing with what you said, and, once again, I think people should mask.
But my point is that models of aerosol spread, etc don't necessarily reflect effectiveness in preventing spread. What happens in a petri dish isn't necessarily what happens in the real world.
wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 19:36 last edited by Aqua Letifer 8 Jul 2020, 19:37@George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
@George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.
I'm not disagreeing with what you said, and, once again, I think people should mask.
But my point is that models of aerosol spread, etc don't necessarily reflect effectiveness in preventing spread. What happens in a petri dish isn't necessarily what happens in the real world.
So how could the physics be such that masks don't prevent spread? How does that look scientifically? To make it clear I'm talking N95s.
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@George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
@George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.
I'm not disagreeing with what you said, and, once again, I think people should mask.
But my point is that models of aerosol spread, etc don't necessarily reflect effectiveness in preventing spread. What happens in a petri dish isn't necessarily what happens in the real world.
So how could the physics be such that masks don't prevent spread? How does that look scientifically? To make it clear I'm talking N95s.
wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 19:41 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
So how could the physics be such that masks don't prevent spread? How does that look scientifically? To make it clear I'm talking N95s.
Ah, well, that's different. The percentage of people I see wearing N95s is remarkably small. I was out of the house twice today, and I saw zero N95s. Some people are wearing those construction-type masks with a replaceable filter - those might actually make things worse, because they're one-way - you can breathe shit out, but not in.
Several large studies of the operating room environment have shown that wearing masks by the surgical staff does little to prevent infection in patients (granted we're talking bacteria here), but are useful in protecting the staff. It's my understanding that in Great Britain, only the staff actually at the table wear masks -
anesthesiologistanesthetist and circulating nurse do not. -
wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 19:41 last edited by Catseye3 8 Jul 2020, 19:49
I think there's a point beyond which you're talking angels on pinheads, mask effectiveness-wise.
It's a crapshoot, no matter how well you're protected or think you're protected. I was standing in line at a store register recently, the patrons were all being good about distancing (though not about masks). I thought to my (masked) self, what if some guy walked through the space where I'm standing 60 seconds ago and I'm standing in a cloud of his exhale. How good a protective job is this
cockamamiemask doing? And how can I know? How contagion-heavy was his viral load (if that's the correct term)? How susceptible am I generally, and how susceptible am I to his particular exhalation? What are the odds I'll get sick from his stuff, and how sick will I get?Don't know. Don't know. Don't know. Don't know. Don't know.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
So how could the physics be such that masks don't prevent spread? How does that look scientifically? To make it clear I'm talking N95s.
Ah, well, that's different. The percentage of people I see wearing N95s is remarkably small. I was out of the house twice today, and I saw zero N95s. Some people are wearing those construction-type masks with a replaceable filter - those might actually make things worse, because they're one-way - you can breathe shit out, but not in.
Several large studies of the operating room environment have shown that wearing masks by the surgical staff does little to prevent infection in patients (granted we're talking bacteria here), but are useful in protecting the staff. It's my understanding that in Great Britain, only the staff actually at the table wear masks -
anesthesiologistanesthetist and circulating nurse do not.wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 19:47 last edited by@George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
Ah, well, that's different. The percentage of people I see wearing N95s is remarkably small. I was out of the house twice today, and I saw zero N95s.
But what about their effectiveness? Surgical masks are not N95s. And those kinds of masks are common enough around here.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
So how could the physics be such that masks don't prevent spread? How does that look scientifically? To make it clear I'm talking N95s.
Ah, well, that's different. The percentage of people I see wearing N95s is remarkably small. I was out of the house twice today, and I saw zero N95s. Some people are wearing those construction-type masks with a replaceable filter - those might actually make things worse, because they're one-way - you can breathe shit out, but not in.
Several large studies of the operating room environment have shown that wearing masks by the surgical staff does little to prevent infection in patients (granted we're talking bacteria here), but are useful in protecting the staff. It's my understanding that in Great Britain, only the staff actually at the table wear masks -
anesthesiologistanesthetist and circulating nurse do not.wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 20:00 last edited by@George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:
in Great Britain, ... -
anesthesiologistanesthetistanaesthetist and circulating nurse do not.FIFY....YKNR
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wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 23:15 last edited by
I’ve gone with the whole philosophy that I wear a mask to protect others and I rely on them wearing a mask to protect me, and have generally been fine with a cloth mask or blue surgical mask. However, today was the Luke’s first day at Walmart and I had to spend a day at Costco? So I bought a couple packs of those KN95 cloth masks at Lowe’s. I get that they aren’t as reliable as N-95, but good luck finding those.
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wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 23:49 last edited by
I am unashamedly just going along with whatever the crowd expects of me, regarding mask wearing. I am not very good at having high conviction beliefs about an allegedly scientific fact that I can't figure out from ground principles on my own. So I don't have this visceral reaction against people who don't believe they help. But I go along.
