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To Mask or Not To Mask?

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #182

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    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #183

      https://gomerblog.com/2020/07/thousands-of-surgeons-dying-daily-of-wearing-masks/

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Mik
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        #184

        @jon-nyc said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

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        I'm going to guess Cheryl is not in healthcare.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • George KG George K

          https://gomerblog.com/2020/07/thousands-of-surgeons-dying-daily-of-wearing-masks/

          MikM Away
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          Mik
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          #185

          @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

          https://gomerblog.com/2020/07/thousands-of-surgeons-dying-daily-of-wearing-masks/

          The problem with satire these days is that there are a lot of imbeciles out there who do not recognize it.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            jon-nyc
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            #186

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • Doctor PhibesD Online
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              Doctor Phibes
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              #187

              I wonder how the people around him resist the temptation to push his head into the toilet and pull his underpants over his head.

              I was only joking

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              • MikM Mik

                @jon-nyc said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

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                I'm going to guess Cheryl is not in healthcare.

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                xenon
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                #188

                @Mik I have to believe Cheryl is a comedian.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  #189

                  Screen Shot 2020-07-28 at 4.44.52 PM.png

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    #190

                    That’s hilarious

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      jon-nyc
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                      #191

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                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                        jon-nyc
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                        #192

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                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • MikM Away
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                          Mik
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                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            #194

                            The science is settled - not:

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              The science is settled - not:

                              Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                              Aqua Letifer
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                              #195

                              @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                              The science is settled - not:

                              Show me in the article where it explains the scientific basis for masks being ineffective.

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                The science is settled - not:

                                Show me in the article where it explains the scientific basis for masks being ineffective.

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                                George K
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                                @Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                The science is settled - not:

                                Show me in the article where it explains the scientific basis for masks being ineffective.

                                I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.

                                However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                  @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                  The science is settled - not:

                                  Show me in the article where it explains the scientific basis for masks being ineffective.

                                  I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.

                                  However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

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                                  Aqua Letifer
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                                  @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                  I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
                                  However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

                                  I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                    @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                    I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
                                    However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

                                    I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.

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                                    #198

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                    @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                    I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
                                    However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

                                    I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.

                                    I'm not disagreeing with what you said, and, once again, I think people should mask.

                                    But my point is that models of aerosol spread, etc don't necessarily reflect effectiveness in preventing spread. What happens in a petri dish isn't necessarily what happens in the real world.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                      @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                      I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
                                      However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

                                      I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.

                                      I'm not disagreeing with what you said, and, once again, I think people should mask.

                                      But my point is that models of aerosol spread, etc don't necessarily reflect effectiveness in preventing spread. What happens in a petri dish isn't necessarily what happens in the real world.

                                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                                      Aqua Letifer
                                      wrote on last edited by Aqua Letifer
                                      #199

                                      @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                      @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                      I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
                                      However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

                                      I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.

                                      I'm not disagreeing with what you said, and, once again, I think people should mask.

                                      But my point is that models of aerosol spread, etc don't necessarily reflect effectiveness in preventing spread. What happens in a petri dish isn't necessarily what happens in the real world.

                                      So how could the physics be such that masks don't prevent spread? How does that look scientifically? To make it clear I'm talking N95s.

                                      Please love yourself.

                                      George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                        @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                        @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                        I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
                                        However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

                                        I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.

                                        I'm not disagreeing with what you said, and, once again, I think people should mask.

                                        But my point is that models of aerosol spread, etc don't necessarily reflect effectiveness in preventing spread. What happens in a petri dish isn't necessarily what happens in the real world.

                                        So how could the physics be such that masks don't prevent spread? How does that look scientifically? To make it clear I'm talking N95s.

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
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                                        #200

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                        So how could the physics be such that masks don't prevent spread? How does that look scientifically? To make it clear I'm talking N95s.

                                        Ah, well, that's different. The percentage of people I see wearing N95s is remarkably small. I was out of the house twice today, and I saw zero N95s. Some people are wearing those construction-type masks with a replaceable filter - those might actually make things worse, because they're one-way - you can breathe shit out, but not in.

                                        Several large studies of the operating room environment have shown that wearing masks by the surgical staff does little to prevent infection in patients (granted we're talking bacteria here), but are useful in protecting the staff. It's my understanding that in Great Britain, only the staff actually at the table wear masks - anesthesiologist anesthetist and circulating nurse do not.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Catseye3
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                                          #201

                                          I think there's a point beyond which you're talking angels on pinheads, mask effectiveness-wise.

                                          It's a crapshoot, no matter how well you're protected or think you're protected. I was standing in line at a store register recently, the patrons were all being good about distancing (though not about masks). I thought to my (masked) self, what if some guy walked through the space where I'm standing 60 seconds ago and I'm standing in a cloud of his exhale. How good a protective job is this cockamamie mask doing? And how can I know? How contagion-heavy was his viral load (if that's the correct term)? How susceptible am I generally, and how susceptible am I to his particular exhalation? What are the odds I'll get sick from his stuff, and how sick will I get?

                                          Don't know. Don't know. Don't know. Don't know. Don't know.

                                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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