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To Mask or Not To Mask?

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    brenda
    wrote on 24 Jul 2020, 01:32 last edited by
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    Minnesoooooota has a statewide mask requirement beginning later this week for indoors or any situation when social distancing is not possible.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 27 Jul 2020, 17:55 last edited by
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      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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        George K
        wrote on 27 Jul 2020, 22:34 last edited by
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        https://gomerblog.com/2020/07/thousands-of-surgeons-dying-daily-of-wearing-masks/

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          23 Jul 2020, 21:19

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          Mik
          wrote on 27 Jul 2020, 22:37 last edited by
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          @jon-nyc said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

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          I'm going to guess Cheryl is not in healthcare.

          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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            27 Jul 2020, 22:34

            https://gomerblog.com/2020/07/thousands-of-surgeons-dying-daily-of-wearing-masks/

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            Mik
            wrote on 27 Jul 2020, 22:38 last edited by
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            @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

            https://gomerblog.com/2020/07/thousands-of-surgeons-dying-daily-of-wearing-masks/

            The problem with satire these days is that there are a lot of imbeciles out there who do not recognize it.

            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 28 Jul 2020, 02:37 last edited by jon-nyc
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              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on 28 Jul 2020, 03:00 last edited by
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                I wonder how the people around him resist the temptation to push his head into the toilet and pull his underpants over his head.

                I was only joking

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                  27 Jul 2020, 22:37

                  @jon-nyc said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

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                  I'm going to guess Cheryl is not in healthcare.

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                  xenon
                  wrote on 28 Jul 2020, 03:08 last edited by
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                  @Mik I have to believe Cheryl is a comedian.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 28 Jul 2020, 21:45 last edited by
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                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 28 Jul 2020, 22:06 last edited by
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                      That’s hilarious

                      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 1 Aug 2020, 17:45 last edited by
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                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 2 Aug 2020, 11:14 last edited by
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                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 2 Aug 2020, 17:59 last edited by
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                            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                              George K
                              wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 17:49 last edited by
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                              The science is settled - not:

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                7 Aug 2020, 17:49

                                The science is settled - not:

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                                Aqua Letifer
                                wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 17:54 last edited by
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                                @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                The science is settled - not:

                                Show me in the article where it explains the scientific basis for masks being ineffective.

                                Please love yourself.

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                                • A Aqua Letifer
                                  7 Aug 2020, 17:54

                                  @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                  The science is settled - not:

                                  Show me in the article where it explains the scientific basis for masks being ineffective.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 19:08 last edited by
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                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                  @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                  The science is settled - not:

                                  Show me in the article where it explains the scientific basis for masks being ineffective.

                                  I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.

                                  However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • G George K
                                    7 Aug 2020, 19:08

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                    @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                    The science is settled - not:

                                    Show me in the article where it explains the scientific basis for masks being ineffective.

                                    I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.

                                    However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

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                                    Aqua Letifer
                                    wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 19:20 last edited by
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                                    @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                    I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
                                    However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

                                    I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                    • A Aqua Letifer
                                      7 Aug 2020, 19:20

                                      @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                      I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
                                      However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

                                      I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 19:31 last edited by
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                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                      @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                      I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
                                      However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

                                      I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.

                                      I'm not disagreeing with what you said, and, once again, I think people should mask.

                                      But my point is that models of aerosol spread, etc don't necessarily reflect effectiveness in preventing spread. What happens in a petri dish isn't necessarily what happens in the real world.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • G George K
                                        7 Aug 2020, 19:31

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                        @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                        I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
                                        However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

                                        I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.

                                        I'm not disagreeing with what you said, and, once again, I think people should mask.

                                        But my point is that models of aerosol spread, etc don't necessarily reflect effectiveness in preventing spread. What happens in a petri dish isn't necessarily what happens in the real world.

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                                        Aqua Letifer
                                        wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 19:36 last edited by Aqua Letifer 8 Jul 2020, 19:37
                                        #199

                                        @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                        @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                        I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
                                        However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

                                        I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.

                                        I'm not disagreeing with what you said, and, once again, I think people should mask.

                                        But my point is that models of aerosol spread, etc don't necessarily reflect effectiveness in preventing spread. What happens in a petri dish isn't necessarily what happens in the real world.

                                        So how could the physics be such that masks don't prevent spread? How does that look scientifically? To make it clear I'm talking N95s.

                                        Please love yourself.

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                                        • A Aqua Letifer
                                          7 Aug 2020, 19:36

                                          @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                          @George-K said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                          I am mask-agnostic, being of the mind "it couldn't hurt," and so I wear one any time I'm out of the house.
                                          However, the burden of proof is that you have to show that they work.

                                          I've read several articles and even watched a VR simulation of droplet & aerosol spreading, showing how masks of various fiber densities are effective in dampening the spread. It's not like this shit's a secret.

                                          I'm not disagreeing with what you said, and, once again, I think people should mask.

                                          But my point is that models of aerosol spread, etc don't necessarily reflect effectiveness in preventing spread. What happens in a petri dish isn't necessarily what happens in the real world.

                                          So how could the physics be such that masks don't prevent spread? How does that look scientifically? To make it clear I'm talking N95s.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 7 Aug 2020, 19:41 last edited by
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                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                                          So how could the physics be such that masks don't prevent spread? How does that look scientifically? To make it clear I'm talking N95s.

                                          Ah, well, that's different. The percentage of people I see wearing N95s is remarkably small. I was out of the house twice today, and I saw zero N95s. Some people are wearing those construction-type masks with a replaceable filter - those might actually make things worse, because they're one-way - you can breathe shit out, but not in.

                                          Several large studies of the operating room environment have shown that wearing masks by the surgical staff does little to prevent infection in patients (granted we're talking bacteria here), but are useful in protecting the staff. It's my understanding that in Great Britain, only the staff actually at the table wear masks - anesthesiologist anesthetist and circulating nurse do not.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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