Vaxxed. Or else.
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wrote on 13 Feb 2022, 13:24 last edited by
The mandate would stay in place unless the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention decides that COVID-19 vaccinations are no longer needed.
Hell... they (CDC) are already discussing the possibility of a 4th and 5th shot.
It ain't ever going to end.
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wrote on 13 Feb 2022, 13:25 last edited by
I could see an argument for mandating government employees, but not private company employees. Further, we’re at a point now with a certain level of natural immunity (from infection), vax rates, etc… that I think we can calm down a bit on these types of measures. In addition, maybe requiring, if at all, for those 60+?
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wrote on 13 Feb 2022, 13:33 last edited by
Actually, it might be kind'a fun to watch this happen.
The population decline in California would mean there will be a lot of empty houses/apartments to house all those homeless people.
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I could see an argument for mandating government employees, but not private company employees. Further, we’re at a point now with a certain level of natural immunity (from infection), vax rates, etc… that I think we can calm down a bit on these types of measures. In addition, maybe requiring, if at all, for those 60+?
wrote on 13 Feb 2022, 13:37 last edited by@89th said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
In addition, maybe requiring, if at all, for those 60+?
If the Feds had any foresight, they could have solved the social security solvency dilemma by telling 60+'ers they didn't need a vax.
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wrote on 13 Feb 2022, 14:11 last edited by
Well, the legislator filing the bill, does say she desires a return to "normalcy". I assume her definition of "normalcy" is somewhat akin to "bat-shit crazy".
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wrote on 13 Feb 2022, 14:41 last edited by
Every time a vax gets shot an angel gets his wings
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wrote on 14 Feb 2022, 02:29 last edited by taiwan_girl
Just curious, those who are generally against requiring a vaccine, do you consider yourself pretty "liberatarian"?
Should people be allowed to smoke in all public places? (restaurants, etc.)
Should seat belts be optional?
Motorcycle helmets optional?
Vaccines for school kids to go to public school?
Vaccines for armed service people? (not only COVID but things such as Adenovirus
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Influenza
Measles, mumps, rubella
Meningococcal
Poliovirus
Tetanus-Diphtheria
Varicella)Interesting article from 2014 about resistance to vaccines, focusing on the polio vaccine.
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wrote on 14 Feb 2022, 02:43 last edited by
The entire basis of your points is the effectiveness of the mRNA vaccines in preventing spread. As the vaccines have been shown to be not as effective as advertised in prevention, most of your questions become meaningless.
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Just curious, those who are generally against requiring a vaccine, do you consider yourself pretty "liberatarian"?
Should people be allowed to smoke in all public places? (restaurants, etc.)
Should seat belts be optional?
Motorcycle helmets optional?
Vaccines for school kids to go to public school?
Vaccines for armed service people? (not only COVID but things such as Adenovirus
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Influenza
Measles, mumps, rubella
Meningococcal
Poliovirus
Tetanus-Diphtheria
Varicella)Interesting article from 2014 about resistance to vaccines, focusing on the polio vaccine.
wrote on 14 Feb 2022, 12:31 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
Just curious, those who are generally against requiring a vaccine, do you consider yourself pretty "liberatarian"?
No.
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The entire basis of your points is the effectiveness of the mRNA vaccines in preventing spread. As the vaccines have been shown to be not as effective as advertised in prevention, most of your questions become meaningless.
wrote on 14 Feb 2022, 18:02 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
The entire basis of your points is the effectiveness of the mRNA vaccines in preventing spread. As the vaccines have been shown to be not as effective as advertised in prevention, most of your questions become meaningless.
I think you are right. When initial studies were done, it was believed that the vaccine prevented spread. Now we know that is not true. But it does prevent serious sickness and hospital.
(Yes, I know this is not 100% true. Some people with vaccine do get quite sick, but nothing is ever 100%).
Science changes.
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wrote on 14 Feb 2022, 22:48 last edited by
How sick do people become, when infected with Omicron?
For a significant percentage, not very, which is why I think Omicron is underreported.
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How sick do people become, when infected with Omicron?
For a significant percentage, not very, which is why I think Omicron is underreported.
wrote on 15 Feb 2022, 00:17 last edited by Doctor Phibes@jolly said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
How sick do people become, when infected with Omicron?
For a significant percentage, not very, which is why I think Omicron is underreported.
I know two people who were unvacc'd, and died from Omicron - I didn't know of them personally, friends of friends. Pretty much everybody I know who is vaccinated, and there are a lot of them, had at worst a really bad cold.
Not statistical in any way, obviously, but my own experience.
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@jolly said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
How sick do people become, when infected with Omicron?
For a significant percentage, not very, which is why I think Omicron is underreported.
I know two people who were unvacc'd, and died from Omicron - I didn't know of them personally, friends of friends. Pretty much everybody I know who is vaccinated, and there are a lot of them, had at worst a really bad cold.
Not statistical in any way, obviously, but my own experience.
wrote on 15 Feb 2022, 00:31 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
@jolly said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
How sick do people become, when infected with Omicron?
For a significant percentage, not very, which is why I think Omicron is underreported.
I know two people who were unvacc'd, and died from Omicron - I didn't know of them personally, friends of friends. Pretty much everybody I know who is vaccinated, and there are a lot of them, had at worst a really bad cold.
Not statistical in any way, obviously, but my own experience.
There are about 2400 people a day, who die with Omicron. And yes, I still think it is far milder than Delta and underreported.
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@doctor-phibes said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
@jolly said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
How sick do people become, when infected with Omicron?
For a significant percentage, not very, which is why I think Omicron is underreported.
I know two people who were unvacc'd, and died from Omicron - I didn't know of them personally, friends of friends. Pretty much everybody I know who is vaccinated, and there are a lot of them, had at worst a really bad cold.
Not statistical in any way, obviously, but my own experience.
There are about 2400 people a day, who die with Omicron. And yes, I still think it is far milder than Delta and underreported.
wrote on 15 Feb 2022, 01:40 last edited by@jolly said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
There are about 2400 people a day, who die with Omicron. And yes, I still think it is far milder than Delta and underreported.
I'm sure it's under-reported. I'm moderately sure I had it, and I didn't report it as I couldn't get tested. I just self-isolated.
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@jolly said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
There are about 2400 people a day, who die with Omicron. And yes, I still think it is far milder than Delta and underreported.
I'm sure it's under-reported. I'm moderately sure I had it, and I didn't report it as I couldn't get tested. I just self-isolated.
wrote on 15 Feb 2022, 06:56 last edited by bachophile@doctor-phibes said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
@jolly said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
There are about 2400 people a day, who die with Omicron. And yes, I still think it is far milder than Delta and underreported.
I'm sure it's under-reported. I'm moderately sure I had it, and I didn't report it as I couldn't get tested. I just self-isolated.
again, im a bit clueless about how things work everywhere, but what does that mean "couldnt get tested". cant you just buy a rapid antigen test for a few bucks and see for yourself?
here antigen tests are everywhere, given out for free in schools, and available in almost every work place. and even with that, i would say real omicron numbers are probably twice the reported amount.
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@doctor-phibes said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
@jolly said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
There are about 2400 people a day, who die with Omicron. And yes, I still think it is far milder than Delta and underreported.
I'm sure it's under-reported. I'm moderately sure I had it, and I didn't report it as I couldn't get tested. I just self-isolated.
again, im a bit clueless about how things work everywhere, but what does that mean "couldnt get tested". cant you just buy a rapid antigen test for a few bucks and see for yourself?
here antigen tests are everywhere, given out for free in schools, and available in almost every work place. and even with that, i would say real omicron numbers are probably twice the reported amount.
wrote on 15 Feb 2022, 15:27 last edited by@bachophile said in Vaxxed. Or else.:
again, im a bit clueless about how things work everywhere, but what does that mean "couldnt get tested". cant you just buy a rapid antigen test for a few bucks and see for yourself?
At the point when my daughter tested positive, there was zero availability for tests conducted at pharmacies and clinics, and all the kits were completely sold out. Since I was borderline asymptomatic, vacc'd and boostered I decided not to worry about it and just isolated.