Not a riot
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@Jolly said in Not a riot:
From the man who set race relations back twenty years...
From the man who was in the White House when Ferguson and Baltimore burned.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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The notion that this only happens to people of a certain color and when the cop is of a certain color is one of the great non-sequiturs of our society. And none of our most important pop culture influencers are interested in thinking too critically about that aspect of it. But the fact is that it is perfectly plausible that this would have happened had Mr Floyd had white skin. And it is beyond plausible, certain even, that a video of such an incident would not have been seen or discussed by anybody.
@Horace said in Not a riot:
The notion that this only happens to people of a certain color and when the cop is of a certain color is one of the great non-sequiturs of our society. And none of our most important pop culture influencers are interested in thinking too critically about that aspect of it. But the fact is that it is perfectly plausible that this would have happened had Mr Floyd had white skin. And it is beyond plausible, certain even, that a video of such an incident would not have been seen or discussed by anybody.
I made the same basic point elsewhere on this forum. The problem isn't Racism, it's Police Brutality against anybody and everybody.
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I saw you mention that elsewhere. I didn't cite you because It's a pretty common (and true) notion, just totally ignored by the pop culture messagers who want nothing more than to foment the notion that racism is everywhere and the most important thing ever.
Where I differ is in the notion that police brutality (regardless of skin color) is a huge and imminent societal problem. Especially when the proof of having fixed it, is the total absence of anecdote about police brutality.
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I saw you mention that elsewhere. I didn't cite you because It's a pretty common (and true) notion, just totally ignored by the pop culture messagers who want nothing more than to foment the notion that racism is everywhere and the most important thing ever.
Where I differ is in the notion that police brutality (regardless of skin color) is a huge and imminent societal problem. Especially when the proof of having fixed it, is the total absence of anecdote about police brutality.
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Good starting point is don't get belligerent with cops. There are two sides to this equation. Letting your anger, righteous or not, put you in the position where this could happen is the first mistake. Cops are on edge not because they are all racist but because experience tells them that certain belligerent behaviors are likely to escalate and they have to keep control of the situation.
That is just one side of the story but one that is all too infrequently told. There cannot be any excuse for kneeling on a man's neck to keep him down.
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“ The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”
A bit of a twist ending in the formal charges.
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“ The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”
A bit of a twist ending in the formal charges.
@89th said in Not a riot:
“ The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”
A bit of a twist ending in the formal charges.
Link?
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@Jolly said in Not a riot:
From the man who set race relations back twenty years...
From the man who was in the White House when Ferguson and Baltimore burned.
@George-K said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
From the man who set race relations back twenty years...
From the man who was in the White House when Ferguson and Baltimore burned.
Not knowing much about this, where do you guys thinks race relations are right now in the US.
If assume at the end of President Bush, it was at a baseline of zero.
Jolly mentions at the end of President Obama, it would be a minus 20Where does the US stand now? Still -20? Better? Worse?
I have never been affected by it, and don't really know anybody who as, so am somewhat ignorant about how this affects people.
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@George-K said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
From the man who set race relations back twenty years...
From the man who was in the White House when Ferguson and Baltimore burned.
Not knowing much about this, where do you guys thinks race relations are right now in the US.
If assume at the end of President Bush, it was at a baseline of zero.
Jolly mentions at the end of President Obama, it would be a minus 20Where does the US stand now? Still -20? Better? Worse?
I have never been affected by it, and don't really know anybody who as, so am somewhat ignorant about how this affects people.
@taiwan_girl said in Not a riot:
@George-K said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
From the man who set race relations back twenty years...
From the man who was in the White House when Ferguson and Baltimore burned.
Not knowing much about this, where do you guys thinks race relations are right now in the US.
If assume at the end of President Bush, it was at a baseline of zero.
Jolly mentions at the end of President Obama, it would be a minus 20Where does the US stand now? Still -20? Better? Worse?
I have never been affected by it, and don't really know anybody who as, so am somewhat ignorant about how this affects people.
Everything's great here. We're just getting a little tired of all the winning that being going on. It's been freaking non-stop. Win, win, win.
If anything bad has happened, it's basically Obama's fault.
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Shameless, but hilarious:
https://twitter.com/khaliya/status/1266512743990996994?s=20
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@George-K said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
From the man who set race relations back twenty years...
From the man who was in the White House when Ferguson and Baltimore burned.
Not knowing much about this, where do you guys thinks race relations are right now in the US.
If assume at the end of President Bush, it was at a baseline of zero.
Jolly mentions at the end of President Obama, it would be a minus 20Where does the US stand now? Still -20? Better? Worse?
I have never been affected by it, and don't really know anybody who as, so am somewhat ignorant about how this affects people.
@taiwan_girl said in Not a riot:
@George-K said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
From the man who set race relations back twenty years...
From the man who was in the White House when Ferguson and Baltimore burned.
Not knowing much about this, where do you guys thinks race relations are right now in the US.
If assume at the end of President Bush, it was at a baseline of zero.
Jolly mentions at the end of President Obama, it would be a minus 20Where does the US stand now? Still -20? Better? Worse?
I have never been affected by it, and don't really know anybody who as, so am somewhat ignorant about how this affects people.
It's never absolutely wonderful. Never will be. But it's not bad, even in the Deep South. Sure there are some pretty racist people out there, but I think you can find that everywhere.
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The rioters destroy their own neighborhoods, rob their local businesses, create a lawless environment for everyone, and then will wonder why businesses close, leave the neighborhood, and never come back.
There will be future Economic Development initiatives in the neighborhood to bring back business and jobs, to repair or rebuild entire city blocks, using taxpayer funding to incent the programs. This destruction/rebuild sequence gets mighty expensive.
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Racism is gone.
There is no more racism in this country.
There are, of course, people who make judgments based on race, but the number is so low it is not worth counting.
The media coverage of racism in this country is about exactly what it was 30 or 40 years ago and it will never, ever change.
The virtuous politician's talk about racism in this country is about exactly what it was 30 or 40 years ago and it will never, ever change.
