Not a riot
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wrote on 29 May 2020, 19:05 last edited by
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wrote on 29 May 2020, 19:50 last edited by
Brilliant insight by Mr. Obama to see that bigotry and unequal treatment infect our institutions.
If only we could somehow identify the bigots and unequal treaters.
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wrote on 29 May 2020, 19:53 last edited by
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
From the man who set race relations back twenty years...
From the man who was in the White House when Ferguson and Baltimore burned.
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The notion that this only happens to people of a certain color and when the cop is of a certain color is one of the great non-sequiturs of our society. And none of our most important pop culture influencers are interested in thinking too critically about that aspect of it. But the fact is that it is perfectly plausible that this would have happened had Mr Floyd had white skin. And it is beyond plausible, certain even, that a video of such an incident would not have been seen or discussed by anybody.
wrote on 29 May 2020, 20:05 last edited by@Horace said in Not a riot:
The notion that this only happens to people of a certain color and when the cop is of a certain color is one of the great non-sequiturs of our society. And none of our most important pop culture influencers are interested in thinking too critically about that aspect of it. But the fact is that it is perfectly plausible that this would have happened had Mr Floyd had white skin. And it is beyond plausible, certain even, that a video of such an incident would not have been seen or discussed by anybody.
I made the same basic point elsewhere on this forum. The problem isn't Racism, it's Police Brutality against anybody and everybody.
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wrote on 29 May 2020, 20:40 last edited by
I saw you mention that elsewhere. I didn't cite you because It's a pretty common (and true) notion, just totally ignored by the pop culture messagers who want nothing more than to foment the notion that racism is everywhere and the most important thing ever.
Where I differ is in the notion that police brutality (regardless of skin color) is a huge and imminent societal problem. Especially when the proof of having fixed it, is the total absence of anecdote about police brutality.
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I saw you mention that elsewhere. I didn't cite you because It's a pretty common (and true) notion, just totally ignored by the pop culture messagers who want nothing more than to foment the notion that racism is everywhere and the most important thing ever.
Where I differ is in the notion that police brutality (regardless of skin color) is a huge and imminent societal problem. Especially when the proof of having fixed it, is the total absence of anecdote about police brutality.
wrote on 29 May 2020, 21:07 last edited by@Horace said in Not a riot:
Especially when the proof of having fixed it, is the total absence of anecdote about police brutality.
That can be done at least 2 ways.
- Eliminate police brutality
- Don't talk about police brutality
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wrote on 29 May 2020, 21:15 last edited by Mik
Good starting point is don't get belligerent with cops. There are two sides to this equation. Letting your anger, righteous or not, put you in the position where this could happen is the first mistake. Cops are on edge not because they are all racist but because experience tells them that certain belligerent behaviors are likely to escalate and they have to keep control of the situation.
That is just one side of the story but one that is all too infrequently told. There cannot be any excuse for kneeling on a man's neck to keep him down.
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wrote on 29 May 2020, 21:18 last edited by
“ The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”
A bit of a twist ending in the formal charges.
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“ The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”
A bit of a twist ending in the formal charges.
wrote on 29 May 2020, 21:35 last edited by@89th said in Not a riot:
“ The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”
A bit of a twist ending in the formal charges.
Link?
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wrote on 29 May 2020, 21:39 last edited by
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@Jolly said in Not a riot:
From the man who set race relations back twenty years...
From the man who was in the White House when Ferguson and Baltimore burned.
wrote on 30 May 2020, 02:41 last edited by@George-K said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
From the man who set race relations back twenty years...
From the man who was in the White House when Ferguson and Baltimore burned.
Not knowing much about this, where do you guys thinks race relations are right now in the US.
If assume at the end of President Bush, it was at a baseline of zero.
Jolly mentions at the end of President Obama, it would be a minus 20Where does the US stand now? Still -20? Better? Worse?
I have never been affected by it, and don't really know anybody who as, so am somewhat ignorant about how this affects people.
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wrote on 30 May 2020, 03:39 last edited by
Starting to get ugly here after a peaceful protest all night.
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@George-K said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
From the man who set race relations back twenty years...
From the man who was in the White House when Ferguson and Baltimore burned.
Not knowing much about this, where do you guys thinks race relations are right now in the US.
If assume at the end of President Bush, it was at a baseline of zero.
Jolly mentions at the end of President Obama, it would be a minus 20Where does the US stand now? Still -20? Better? Worse?
I have never been affected by it, and don't really know anybody who as, so am somewhat ignorant about how this affects people.
wrote on 30 May 2020, 03:43 last edited by Doctor Phibes@taiwan_girl said in Not a riot:
@George-K said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
From the man who set race relations back twenty years...
From the man who was in the White House when Ferguson and Baltimore burned.
Not knowing much about this, where do you guys thinks race relations are right now in the US.
If assume at the end of President Bush, it was at a baseline of zero.
Jolly mentions at the end of President Obama, it would be a minus 20Where does the US stand now? Still -20? Better? Worse?
I have never been affected by it, and don't really know anybody who as, so am somewhat ignorant about how this affects people.
Everything's great here. We're just getting a little tired of all the winning that being going on. It's been freaking non-stop. Win, win, win.
If anything bad has happened, it's basically Obama's fault.
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wrote on 30 May 2020, 04:37 last edited by
Pop culture is never more than an anecdote away from nodding to each other in unison that racism is as bad as it has ever been. I have no doubt that it will be that way for the rest of my time on this earth.
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wrote on 30 May 2020, 05:09 last edited by
Shameless, but hilarious:
https://twitter.com/khaliya/status/1266512743990996994?s=20
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@George-K said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
From the man who set race relations back twenty years...
From the man who was in the White House when Ferguson and Baltimore burned.
Not knowing much about this, where do you guys thinks race relations are right now in the US.
If assume at the end of President Bush, it was at a baseline of zero.
Jolly mentions at the end of President Obama, it would be a minus 20Where does the US stand now? Still -20? Better? Worse?
I have never been affected by it, and don't really know anybody who as, so am somewhat ignorant about how this affects people.
wrote on 30 May 2020, 12:28 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Not a riot:
@George-K said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
From the man who set race relations back twenty years...
From the man who was in the White House when Ferguson and Baltimore burned.
Not knowing much about this, where do you guys thinks race relations are right now in the US.
If assume at the end of President Bush, it was at a baseline of zero.
Jolly mentions at the end of President Obama, it would be a minus 20Where does the US stand now? Still -20? Better? Worse?
I have never been affected by it, and don't really know anybody who as, so am somewhat ignorant about how this affects people.
It's never absolutely wonderful. Never will be. But it's not bad, even in the Deep South. Sure there are some pretty racist people out there, but I think you can find that everywhere.
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wrote on 30 May 2020, 12:47 last edited by
The rioters destroy their own neighborhoods, rob their local businesses, create a lawless environment for everyone, and then will wonder why businesses close, leave the neighborhood, and never come back.
There will be future Economic Development initiatives in the neighborhood to bring back business and jobs, to repair or rebuild entire city blocks, using taxpayer funding to incent the programs. This destruction/rebuild sequence gets mighty expensive.
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wrote on 30 May 2020, 14:06 last edited by
Yes, indeed. Then they complain about living in food desert.
Racism is, sadly, a one sided conversation in this country. That is bound to lead to no good.
