Not a riot
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The protests will run out of steam because:
- The weather is getting hotter and more rainy
- They don't have a finish line to run towards, eventually folks will give up
Again, lemmings seeking catharsis.
@89th: The protests will run out of steam because: The weather is getting hotter and more rainy; They don't have a finish line to run towards, eventually folks will give up.
Yeah . . . or they remember that today's shopping day and Mom will be bringing home HoHo's and milk, and busting up TVs is getting boring, anyway.
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@jon-nyc said in Not a riot:
It’s informative, assuming they didn’t cherry pick the times.
Or exclude CBS and ABC because it ran counter to the point they wanted to make.
To make a guess, I think they probably took the two extremes. If that be the case, NBC is lying through their teeth.
@jon-nyc said in Not a riot:
It’s informative, assuming they didn’t cherry pick the times.
Or exclude CBS and ABC because it ran counter to the point they wanted to make.
Found it. Apologies for misquoting it earlier:
I looked at CNN news sites, and searched for "Riot"
CNN showed 1023 hits on that word. Of the top 10 stores, not one used the word "riot" in the context of what is going on. One talked about police using "riot shields" and wearing "riot gear." Another talks about tear gas being a "riot control agent"
CNN's "protest" search yields hundreds of stories. All related to what's going on this week.
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@George-K I still have the same question for you, so I'll put it another way:
Why would it make sense to call the fires set to cars and businesses after curfew in DC a "protest"?
Why would it make sense to call the demonstration that took place outside St. John's a "riot"?
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@George-K I still have the same question for you, so I'll put it another way:
Why would it make sense to call the fires set to cars and businesses after curfew in DC a "protest"?
Why would it make sense to call the demonstration that took place outside St. John's a "riot"?
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
@George-K I still have the same question for you, so I'll put it another way:
Why would it make sense to call the fires set to cars and businesses after curfew in DC a "protest"?
Why would it make sense to call the demonstration that took place outside St. John's a "riot"?
- Burning cars. looting, throwing bricks at police, and smashing windows = "riot."
- Marching down the street, waving arms, carrying signs, chanting = "protest."
So, when I see #1, that falls under riot.
When I see #2, that's protest.I hear different stories about what happened at St. Johns, and to be honest, I haven't followed that too closely - other than the fire that was set there. So, I'll reserve judgment.
I think the first post in this thread makes my position pretty clear.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
@George-K I still have the same question for you, so I'll put it another way:
Why would it make sense to call the fires set to cars and businesses after curfew in DC a "protest"?
Why would it make sense to call the demonstration that took place outside St. John's a "riot"?
- Burning cars. looting, throwing bricks at police, and smashing windows = "riot."
- Marching down the street, waving arms, carrying signs, chanting = "protest."
So, when I see #1, that falls under riot.
When I see #2, that's protest.I hear different stories about what happened at St. Johns, and to be honest, I haven't followed that too closely - other than the fire that was set there. So, I'll reserve judgment.
I think the first post in this thread makes my position pretty clear.
@George-K said in Not a riot:
I hear different stories about what happened at St. Johns, and to be honest, I haven't followed that too closely - other than the fire that was set there. So, I'll reserve judgment.
That's because each incident is different and doesn't involve the same people. Like at all. The fire that was set there was riotous behavior, absolutely. But that was at night. That wasn't when the crowd was broken up for Trump's photo op. No fires were set there then, and nothing was thrown at police.
Please love yourself.
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@George-K said in Not a riot:
I hear different stories about what happened at St. Johns, and to be honest, I haven't followed that too closely - other than the fire that was set there. So, I'll reserve judgment.
That's because each incident is different and doesn't involve the same people. Like at all. The fire that was set there was riotous behavior, absolutely. But that was at night. That wasn't when the crowd was broken up for Trump's photo op. No fires were set there then, and nothing was thrown at police.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
No fires were set there then, and nothing was thrown at police.
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/6_2_20_statement_from_acting_chief_monahan.htm
United States Park Police acting Chief Gregory Monahan.
On Monday, June 1, the USPP worked with the United States Secret Service to have temporary fencing installed inside Lafayette Park. At approximately 6:33 pm, violent protestors on H Street NW began throwing projectiles including bricks, frozen water bottles and caustic liquids. The protestors also climbed onto a historic building at the north end of Lafayette Park that was destroyed by arson days prior. Intelligence had revealed calls for violence against the police, and officers found caches of glass bottles, baseball bats and metal poles hidden along the street.
You're saying the Chief of Police for the Park Service is mistaken?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Not a riot:
I hear different stories about what happened at St. Johns, and to be honest, I haven't followed that too closely - other than the fire that was set there. So, I'll reserve judgment.
That's because each incident is different and doesn't involve the same people. Like at all. The fire that was set there was riotous behavior, absolutely. But that was at night. That wasn't when the crowd was broken up for Trump's photo op. No fires were set there then, and nothing was thrown at police.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
@George-K said in Not a riot:
I hear different stories about what happened at St. Johns, and to be honest, I haven't followed that too closely - other than the fire that was set there. So, I'll reserve judgment.
That's because each incident is different and doesn't involve the same people. Like at all. The fire that was set there was riotous behavior, absolutely. But that was at night. That wasn't when the crowd was broken up for Trump's photo op. No fires were set there then, and nothing was thrown at police.
And no rubber bullets were fired, no tear gas was used, and it wasn't Trump that ordered the area cleared, it was AG Barr. And, the woman preacher has been proven to be a liar and a Leftist radical with an agenda.
You are working entirely too hard to make the point that some of the protesters were harmless and peaceful. We all know that.
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Bottom line?
When the Secret Service asks you to move, move.
Apparently, they don't ask twice.
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Bottom line?
When the Secret Service asks you to move, move.
Apparently, they don't ask twice.
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
Bottom line?
When the Secret Service asks you to move, move.
Apparently, they don't ask twice.
There's a lesson to be learned here about how to deal with law enforcement in general, but then mentioning that there are two sides to law enforcement interactions is a wrong side of history thing to say.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
No fires were set there then, and nothing was thrown at police.
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/6_2_20_statement_from_acting_chief_monahan.htm
United States Park Police acting Chief Gregory Monahan.
On Monday, June 1, the USPP worked with the United States Secret Service to have temporary fencing installed inside Lafayette Park. At approximately 6:33 pm, violent protestors on H Street NW began throwing projectiles including bricks, frozen water bottles and caustic liquids. The protestors also climbed onto a historic building at the north end of Lafayette Park that was destroyed by arson days prior. Intelligence had revealed calls for violence against the police, and officers found caches of glass bottles, baseball bats and metal poles hidden along the street.
You're saying the Chief of Police for the Park Service is mistaken?
@George-K said in Not a riot:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
No fires were set there then, and nothing was thrown at police.
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/6_2_20_statement_from_acting_chief_monahan.htm
United States Park Police acting Chief Gregory Monahan.
On Monday, June 1, the USPP worked with the United States Secret Service to have temporary fencing installed inside Lafayette Park. At approximately 6:33 pm, violent protestors on H Street NW began throwing projectiles including bricks, frozen water bottles and caustic liquids. The protestors also climbed onto a historic building at the north end of Lafayette Park that was destroyed by arson days prior. Intelligence had revealed calls for violence against the police, and officers found caches of glass bottles, baseball bats and metal poles hidden along the street.
You're saying the Chief of Police for the Park Service is mistaken?
You said this earlier:
Sorry, no.
Clinton said that tear gas was fired into the crowd.
Park Police Chief says no.
One of the two (as I posted) is not true. I suppose you can choose which one you choose to believe.At Lafayette, June 1, 6:30pm. I guess you're going to tell me these are fires set by the protesters?
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You pointed out that the fire that I talked about (in the context of what constitutes a riot, not the specific incident you tend to conflate it with - the photo op) was a
daynight earlier. I acknowledge that.Your photo doesn't address my point about the
demonstratorsprotestorsrioters being violent, as the Chief of Police stated.Are you calling him a liar?
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You pointed out that the fire that I talked about (in the context of what constitutes a riot, not the specific incident you tend to conflate it with - the photo op) was a
daynight earlier. I acknowledge that.Your photo doesn't address my point about the
demonstratorsprotestorsrioters being violent, as the Chief of Police stated.Are you calling him a liar?
@George-K said in Not a riot:
You pointed out that the fire that I talked about (in the context of what constitutes a riot, not the specific incident you tend to conflate it with - the photo op) was a
daynight earlier. I acknowledge that.Your photo doesn't address my point about the
demonstratorsprotestorsrioters being violent, as the Chief of Police stated.Are you calling him a liar?
I can't speak for every single person who was at the protest, and neither can the police chief, you, or anyone else. So I can't say that absolutely, to a person, no one engaged in any violence.
What I can say is that yeah, he's a damn liar, in that he appears to be trying to paint a picture that's completely untrue. I use social media for photo stuff, and so a lot of the folks I know through there are photographers, and they were there because they wanted to cover the event. With every single video I've watched from TikTok and Instagram, and from what people have told me who were there at the time, the crowd was just standing around. (And it wasn't even that huge of a crowd, comparatively speaking.) It wasn't LA in '65, which appears to be what this guy is trying to imply.
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I’m not following the debate. There is no question there has been mayhem and wholesale destruction in DC. Are we just talking the moment where Trump had the crowd moved so he could do his photo op?
@Loki said in Not a riot:
I’m not following the debate. There is no question there has been mayhem and wholesale destruction in DC. Are we just talking the moment where Trump had the crowd moved so he could do his photo op?
Pretty much. What I think happened, was that there were several departments involved (not just 2), and the White House didn't properly coordinate with all of them. So it wasn't handled the best to put it mildly.
But what I'm also saying is that everything going on, everything across the country and now in other cities around the world, is not only and exclusively rioters and "lemmings seeking catharsis." That's precisely as ignorant as "All Cops Are Bastards."
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@Loki said in Not a riot:
I’m not following the debate. There is no question there has been mayhem and wholesale destruction in DC. Are we just talking the moment where Trump had the crowd moved so he could do his photo op?
Pretty much. What I think happened, was that there were several departments involved (not just 2), and the White House didn't properly coordinate with all of them. So it wasn't handled the best to put it mildly.
But what I'm also saying is that everything going on, everything across the country and now in other cities around the world, is not only and exclusively rioters and "lemmings seeking catharsis." That's precisely as ignorant as "All Cops Are Bastards."
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
@Loki said in Not a riot:
I’m not following the debate. There is no question there has been mayhem and wholesale destruction in DC. Are we just talking the moment where Trump had the crowd moved so he could do his photo op?
Pretty much. What I think happened, was that there were several departments involved (not just 2), and the White House didn't properly coordinate with all of them. So it wasn't handled the best to put it mildly.
But what I'm also saying is that everything going on, everything across the country and now in other cities around the world, is not only and exclusively rioters and "lemmings seeking catharsis." That's precisely as ignorant as "All Cops Are Bastards."
No doubt that the vast majority of protesters are sincere and peaceful. The problem is that they are being used as human shields and pawns and the peaceful protesters seem to be okay with that. You can’t easily skirt that accountability.
Covid, death and hundreds of millions of dollars of destruction be damned!
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I really do not think Trump handles the operational details of his Secret Service folks. I'm also not sure there was any way they could have handled it that would not have resulted in some form of the interpretation we see today. The audience is too willing to believe.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
@Loki said in Not a riot:
I’m not following the debate. There is no question there has been mayhem and wholesale destruction in DC. Are we just talking the moment where Trump had the crowd moved so he could do his photo op?
Pretty much. What I think happened, was that there were several departments involved (not just 2), and the White House didn't properly coordinate with all of them. So it wasn't handled the best to put it mildly.
But what I'm also saying is that everything going on, everything across the country and now in other cities around the world, is not only and exclusively rioters and "lemmings seeking catharsis." That's precisely as ignorant as "All Cops Are Bastards."
No doubt that the vast majority of protesters are sincere and peaceful. The problem is that they are being used as human shields and pawns and the peaceful protesters seem to be okay with that. You can’t easily skirt that accountability.
Covid, death and hundreds of millions of dollars of destruction be damned!
@Loki said in Not a riot:
No doubt that the vast majority of protesters are sincere and peaceful. The problem is that they are being used as human shields and pawns and the peaceful protesters seem to be okay with that. You can’t easily skirt that accountability.
Now you're just making stuff up.
These "rioters" fought to protect a Miami CVS from looters:
These "rioters" did the same in NYC:
I'm sure you've seen this one, right? The "rioters" who protected the separated police officer?
Or how about this one? Do these "rioters" look like they're throwing caustic chemicals on cops to you?
More "rioters" protecting stores:
Can we all admit this is a complicated situation and that the crowd is (1) changing hour by hour and (2) not at all on the same page, or are we still stuck on demonizing protesters and glorifying all police?
