Not a riot
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@George-K said in Not a riot:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
Amazingly, most of the protesters and the police in cities across the country are trying to keep things peaceful. But there seems to be a lot of talk about violent protesters here on TNCR and a blind eye turned toward violent cops. Only reason I post shit like this. It's definitely not the norm.
How many people have been killed by police while demonstrating in the last few days?
How many people have been killed by demonstrators in the last few days?
I'll wait, patiently, for your response.
You gonna normalize that as a percentage of both crowd sizes? Because you know the protester/cop participation ratio is not 1:1, right? Why don't you let me know what you think it is if we're playing Quiz Show.
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@Loki said in Not a riot:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
Amazingly, most of the protesters and the police in cities across the country are trying to keep things peaceful. But there seems to be a lot of talk about violent protesters here on TNCR and a blind eye turned toward violent cops. Only reason I post shit like this. It's definitely not the norm.
A violent cop just stokes the unrest. Their actions should be viewed in the same light as a rioter. It amazes me that some cops have not got the memo yet. Rather than burn down cities however, they need to be stripped of their livelihoods.
Both sides are getting tired and angrier. It's bad news for everyone involved.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
@George-K said in Not a riot:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
Amazingly, most of the protesters and the police in cities across the country are trying to keep things peaceful. But there seems to be a lot of talk about violent protesters here on TNCR and a blind eye turned toward violent cops. Only reason I post shit like this. It's definitely not the norm.
How many people have been killed by police while demonstrating in the last few days?
How many people have been killed by demonstrators in the last few days?
I'll wait, patiently, for your response.
You gonna normalize that as a percentage of both crowd sizes? Because you know the protester/cop participation ratio is not 1:1, right? Why don't you let me know what you think it is if we're playing Quiz Show.
What matters more? Crowd size? Or number of lethal weapons available?
Seems to me, the cops might have quite a few more weapons...
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It would be interesting to know the practical difficulty of the task we've set before us as a society - to maintain an effective police force, that never abuses their power. I'm not really clear, personally, about how difficult that problem is. I'm pretty sure it's pretty hard though, and I think we may be too down on ourselves regarding our current efforts towards a solution.
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They are, actually. And they've a great program, which is a big part of why they seldom make the news. We've far better than average police officers here.
You're too old, though. And you're unqualified.
Please love yourself.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
They are, actually. And they've a great program, which is a big part of why they seldom make the news. We've far better than average police officers here.
You're too old, though. And you're unqualified.
I am too old. But I don't need a job. Besides, I've already had bullets coming through the windows of my workplace. I've been attacked with a knife in the hallway.
Time for you to have a little excitement. Would be great background for a book...
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@Jolly said in Not a riot:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
They are, actually. And they've a great program, which is a big part of why they seldom make the news. We've far better than average police officers here.
You're too old, though. And you're unqualified.
I am too old. But I don't need a job. Besides, I've already had bullets coming through the windows of my workplace. I've been attacked with a knife in the hallway.
Time for you to have a little excitement. Would be great background for a book...
I'm good. Burnout's a big problem in the profession and it's not my thing anyway.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
there seems to be a lot of talk about violent protesters here on TNCR and a blind eye turned toward violent cops.
Wrong
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
Amazingly, most of the protesters and the police in cities across the country are trying to keep things peaceful. But there seems to be a lot of talk about violent protesters here on TNCR and a blind eye turned toward violent cops. Only reason I post shit like this. It's definitely not the norm.
First you've got to stop attributing things said about anarchist types to protesters. Second, you've got to stop thinking of all the protesters as nice, innocent people. Many are. But many aren't. Third, I've not seen anyone attempt to gloss over the fact that there have been a few bad cops. There's going to be a few good among the bad, and a few bad among the good.
That said, you try risking your life by putting on a police uniform and walking out into a mob of violent things armed with bricks and firebombs, getting spit on, slapped, things thrown at you, with a city mayor tying your hands behind your back, and let's see how long it is before YOU react in the wrong way.
The innocent and nice people who simply want to march in a protest need to go home and get out of the way. There is no protest any longer. People are even beginning to forget the guy's name. Their protest has been ruined. Whatever point they wanted to make has been made as good as it can be made. So they need to go home, get out of the way, so the police can do their job.
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By a Vietnam Vet on another board....
I've told this story before, but it never gets old.
Riding on a big green ARMY bus, on the way from the separation station in Oakland where we'd just been discharged from the army, to the San Francisco airport. Up ahead on the freeway a bunch of anti-war protestors were in wait, and when they saw the bus jumped out onto the freeway to stop traffic. When the driver, a civilian, got the bus stopped he opened the two doors and yelled "Go get 'em boys!!" Unfortunately we never caught even one of them, they scrambled up the embankment and over the chain link fence before we could get to them, and we were running hard.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
They are, actually. And they've a great program, which is a big part of why they seldom make the news. We've far better than average police officers here.
You're too old, though. And you're unqualified.
I am too old. But I don't need a job. Besides, I've already had bullets coming through the windows of my workplace. I've been attacked with a knife in the hallway.
Time for you to have a little excitement. Would be great background for a book...
I'm good. Burnout's a big problem in the profession and it's not my thing anyway.
My son is city PD. Graveyard for 4 years straight. "south" side of town. He got burned out long ago. Still plugging away though. Must be the jarhead in him. He does have a young family to support. He runs when he's off. For miles. He'll be 35 in two days and that means he will take off, early on his birthday morning, and run 35 miles that day. His shift and area will change one day, but he doesn't fight it. He accepts what they assigned and hasn't gotten into trouble yet in his four short years. But he is withdrawn. He has dealt with too much too often and has just basically given up hope for mankind. But I'm so dammed proud of him.
But anyways, the reason for the reply is to ponder the possibilities of "drone" cops that are utilized when needed. Robocops! Is it the future? -
Graveyards will mess with your head, or at least they do that for me. Maybe he needs to start looking around a bit...With his veteran's points, he might get on with the Feds. Some interesting LE jobs there.
My wife's first cousin was U.S. Marshal of the Year, a few years back. He runs a fugitive apprehension team. For the most part, he enjoys his job.
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It’s not a riot! It’s a shopping spree.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@nobodyssock said in Not a riot:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
@Jolly said in Not a riot:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not a riot:
They are, actually. And they've a great program, which is a big part of why they seldom make the news. We've far better than average police officers here.
You're too old, though. And you're unqualified.
I am too old. But I don't need a job. Besides, I've already had bullets coming through the windows of my workplace. I've been attacked with a knife in the hallway.
Time for you to have a little excitement. Would be great background for a book...
I'm good. Burnout's a big problem in the profession and it's not my thing anyway.
My son is city PD. Graveyard for 4 years straight. "south" side of town. He got burned out long ago. Still plugging away though. Must be the jarhead in him. He does have a young family to support. He runs when he's off. For miles. He'll be 35 in two days and that means he will take off, early on his birthday morning, and run 35 miles that day. His shift and area will change one day, but he doesn't fight it. He accepts what they assigned and hasn't gotten into trouble yet in his four short years. But he is withdrawn. He has dealt with too much too often and has just basically given up hope for mankind. But I'm so dammed proud of him.
I used to run like that. Well, sort of; 35 miles is metal as fuck. I did 11-13 a day, every day, no breaks. Also skipped a lot of rope and did kettles.
You do 35 miles a day, you're either a total mileage junkie (and I know a few like that) or you've got something else going on. Good on your son. It's an impossibly difficult job at the best of times.
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@George-K said in Not a riot:
Speaking of "Not a riot" someone counted the way words are used on the MSM news (can't find the reference now)
MSNBC:
"Protest" - 52
"Riot" - 0NBC:
"Protest" - 41
"Riot" - 0FOX:
"Protest" - 21
"Riot" - 23Draw your own conclusions.
Why are you trying to categorize it as either/or? You do know that the crowds at night are very different from the daytime, right?
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It’s informative, assuming they didn’t cherry pick the times.
Or exclude CBS and ABC because it ran counter to the point they wanted to make.
