ISIS leader taken out
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The Associated (with Terrorists) Press bemoans the loss of innocent life.
Blood could be seen on the walls and floor of the remaining structure. A wrecked bedroom had a child’s wooden crib and a stuffed rabbit doll. On one damaged wall, a blue plastic baby swing was still hanging. The kitchen was littered with debris, with a blood splatter on the wall where the door was blown off its hinges. Religious books, including a biography of Islam’s Prophet Mohammad, were in the house.
The opposition-run Syrian Civil Defense, first responders also known as the White Helmets, said 13 people were killed in shelling and clashes that ensued after the U.S. commando raid. They included six children and four women, it said.
The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, an opposition war monitor, also said the strike killed 13 people, including four children and two women. Ahmad Rahhal, a citizen journalist who visited the site, reported seeing 12 bodies.
The Pentagon provided no details on casualties in the raid.
I can think of at least 2,977 reasons I feel little sympathy.
By the way, yesterday was the 20th anniversary of the murder of Daniel Pearl.
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@mik said in ISIS leader taken out:
These cowards deliberately hide among women and children. They use tactics that kill civilians indiscriminately. Fuck em.
They will only be gone when their own people reject them.
This video is worth watching, touching upon the problems of that approach.
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That was an interesting video, IT
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@mik said in ISIS leader taken out:
They will only be gone when their own people reject them.
Which only (really) happens when citizens have economic motivations. Sustainable change only seems to happen in war torn countries when people can get jobs, and therefore money, and therefore opportunity.
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@jon-nyc said in ISIS leader taken out:
That was an interesting video, IT
I thought it interesting as well. I have spoken with a number of our vets who served in and saw combat in Afghanistan. A couple of them I knew from my days as a Reservist in the 1980s who volunteered for Class C call out duty. Their stories are not dissimilar to that Marine’s.
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@89th said in ISIS leader taken out:
@mik said in ISIS leader taken out:
They will only be gone when their own people reject them.
Which only (really) happens when citizens have economic motivations. Sustainable change only seems to happen in war torn countries when people can get jobs, and therefore money, and therefore opportunity.
Yes. These are intractable problems to solve from the outside. Nation buildings does not work. These countries need to fix themselves, and that's not going to happen.
I don't think there is an answer -- do you?
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@ivorythumper said in ISIS leader taken out:
I don't think there is an answer -- do you?
Simplistically? Continue intel efforts and execute targeted drone strikes or specific "seal team six" type of actions. Only when necessary and only when its in our country's (or ally's) interest. When possible, publicly document the who/what/how/why so people in both countries understand the purpose. Combine these intel/military ad-hoc actions with international efforts to improve a country's real economic infrastructure.
I think that would lead to drastically cut costs, fewer casualties, (relatively) less inspiration for ISIS recruits for revenge, and avoids the type of intractable involvement that is otherwise involved with a more significant on-premises strategy.
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Collateral damage.
