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  • K kluurs
    27 Jan 2022, 14:25

    I'm disappointed that George didn't title this thread "Breyer Beware..."

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    Mik
    wrote on 27 Jan 2022, 14:30 last edited by
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    @kluurs said in Breyer to retire:

    I'm disappointed that George didn't title this thread "Breyer Beware..."

    šŸ˜†

    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      George K
      wrote on 27 Jan 2022, 14:49 last edited by
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      Seen on Twitter:

      "The main character of the last show you watched has been nominated to the Supreme Court."

      Well...

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      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Klaus
        wrote on 27 Jan 2022, 15:45 last edited by
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        Hm, that would be James Holden for me.

        Could be worse. Not an unreasonable choice.

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        • G George K
          27 Jan 2022, 14:49

          Seen on Twitter:

          "The main character of the last show you watched has been nominated to the Supreme Court."

          Well...

          image.jpeg

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          Improviso
          wrote on 27 Jan 2022, 17:39 last edited by
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          @george-k said in Breyer to retire:

          Well...

          dexter.jpg

          We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
          Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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            Copper
            wrote on 27 Jan 2022, 18:23 last edited by
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            You guys forgot the job requirements

            And having the right wig helps

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            • G George K
              27 Jan 2022, 12:22

              @jon-nyc I'd forgotten about Trump's pledge, but not the others.

              Continuing about the GOP blocking the nomination via procedures path (see "inside baseball" - above).

              Nope:

              https://archive.is/ZGLIB

              "Motion to discharge" requires a simple majority.

              But it's interesting what happens when the senate is tied - does the VEEP have a say?

              There seems to be a difference of opinion.

              The Dersh: https://www.newsweek.com/can-vice-president-break-tie-supreme-court-confirmation-opinion-1533563

              Never in our history has a Supreme Court nomination been confirmed by an equally divided vote among U.S. senators, with the vice president breaking the tie. But if one more Republican senator decides to vote no on President Donald Trump’s nominee—whoever she may be—we may face that situation. Did the Framers of our Constitution consider such a result? Several provisions and statements of the Framers cast light on this question.

              There are three provisions of the Constitution that are most relevant. Article 2 empowers the president to ā€œnominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint … Judges of the Supreme Court.ā€ Article 1 provides that ā€œThe Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.ā€ Article 1 also states that ā€œEach house may determine the Rules of its Proceedings.ā€

              It is clear, therefore, that in voting on proposed statutes, the vice president is authorized to cast a tie-breaking vote. But did the Framers intend the same rule to apply when the president is seeking the advice and consent of senators to a judicial nomination? We can’t know for certain, because the Constitution and Federalist Papers focus on the vice president’s role in breaking ties over legislation, not confirmation.

              Lawrence Tribe: https://archive.is/qPnVS

              While the vice president has the power to cast a tiebreaking vote to pass a bill, the Constitution does not give him the power to break ties when it comes to the Senate’s ā€œAdvice and Consentā€ role in approving presidential appointments to the Supreme Court.

              You don’t have to take my word for it. Alexander Hamilton said the same thing way back in 1788, in Federalist No. 69: ā€œIn the national government, if the Senate should be divided, no appointment could be made.ā€ Hamilton contrasted that rule with how appointments worked back then in his home state of New York, where the governor actually did have the power to break ties to confirm nominations to New York state offices.

              Consistent with Hamilton’s understanding, as two thoughtful recent scholarly analyses have pointed out, no vice president in our history has ever cast a tiebreaking vote to confirm an appointment to the Supreme Court. If Pence tried to cast the deciding vote to confirm Trump’s nomination to replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died last week at age 87, it would be the first time that has ever happened. That should matter to everyone — it certainly matters (or used to matter) to ā€œoriginalists,ā€ who emphasize the importance of history when interpreting our Constitution.

              I doubt it'll come to that, with Collins being the 51st vote.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 27 Jan 2022, 18:37 last edited by jon-nyc
              #33

              The Dersh:
              Lawrence Tribe:

              Two partisan tools that should have retired by now.

              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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              • I Improviso
                27 Jan 2022, 17:39

                @george-k said in Breyer to retire:

                Well...

                dexter.jpg

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                Mik
                wrote on 27 Jan 2022, 18:40 last edited by Mik
                #34

                @improviso said in Breyer to retire:

                @george-k said in Breyer to retire:

                Well...

                dexter.jpg

                You can’t send him to Washington. He’d be exhausted.

                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                • M Mik
                  27 Jan 2022, 18:40

                  @improviso said in Breyer to retire:

                  @george-k said in Breyer to retire:

                  Well...

                  dexter.jpg

                  You can’t send him to Washington. He’d be exhausted.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 27 Jan 2022, 18:50 last edited by
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                  @mik said in Breyer to retire:

                  You can’t send him to Washington. He’d be exhausted.

                  And, if you watched the mini-series, you'd know he's unavailable.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • G George K
                    27 Jan 2022, 18:50

                    @mik said in Breyer to retire:

                    You can’t send him to Washington. He’d be exhausted.

                    And, if you watched the mini-series, you'd know he's unavailable.

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                    Improviso
                    wrote on 27 Jan 2022, 20:30 last edited by
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                    @george-k said in Breyer to retire:

                    And, if you watched the mini-series, you'd know he's unavailable.

                    I'm only on season 7. Don't tell me.

                    We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                    Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                      George K
                      wrote on 27 Jan 2022, 23:58 last edited by
                      #37

                      It's a trap!

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Mik
                        wrote on 28 Jan 2022, 00:17 last edited by
                        #38

                        I saw that today. Did not read it (Newsmax, y’know), but how exactly would that work? I don’t want to have to wade thru all the ED potion ads.

                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 28 Jan 2022, 01:21 last edited by
                          #39

                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                          • J jon-nyc
                            28 Jan 2022, 01:21

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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on 28 Jan 2022, 02:01 last edited by
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                            @jon-nyc said in Breyer to retire:

                            Did you read the replies?

                            The Brad

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                              28 Jan 2022, 01:21

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                              Copper
                              wrote on 28 Jan 2022, 02:20 last edited by
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                              @jon-nyc said in Breyer to retire:

                              quota-based diversity

                              Yes, another black justice will make 22% of the court black

                              Only 12% of the country is black, 22% appears to be too many justices of color

                              But wait, you are doing the wrong math. There have 114 Supremes, and only 2 black. There is a long way to go.

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                              • L LuFins Dad
                                28 Jan 2022, 02:01

                                @jon-nyc said in Breyer to retire:

                                Did you read the replies?

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 28 Jan 2022, 02:36 last edited by
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                                @lufins-dad said in Breyer to retire:

                                Did you read the replies?

                                I try not to.

                                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                • J jon-nyc
                                  28 Jan 2022, 02:36

                                  @lufins-dad said in Breyer to retire:

                                  Did you read the replies?

                                  I try not to.

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on 28 Jan 2022, 02:40 last edited by
                                  #43

                                  @jon-nyc said in Breyer to retire:

                                  @lufins-dad said in Breyer to retire:

                                  Did you read the replies?

                                  I try not to.

                                  Pseudo-Intellectuals trying to explain how it’s justified because the black history and experience is SOOOOOO different than anywhere else or any other people in history.

                                  The Brad

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 28 Jan 2022, 14:13 last edited by
                                    #44

                                    Let the memes begin.

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                                    Racist Joe.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • G George K
                                      28 Jan 2022, 14:13

                                      Let the memes begin.

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                                      Racist Joe.

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                                      89th
                                      wrote on 28 Jan 2022, 14:22 last edited by
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                                      @george-k Hahaha that one from The Office is perfect.

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                                        Ivorythumper
                                        wrote on 28 Jan 2022, 19:30 last edited by
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                                        @lufins-dad said in Breyer to retire:

                                        judge that got the position at least in part because she is a black female be on the

                                        A Black woman? Ketanji Brown Jackson.

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 28 Jan 2022, 22:03 last edited by
                                          #47

                                          Justice Jackson. That will be her.

                                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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